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The amount of trust people are willing to place in AI is far more terrifying than the capabilities of these AI systems. People are too willing to give up their

The amount of trust people are willing to place in AI is far more terrifying than the capabilities of these AI systems. People are too willing to give up their responsibility of critical thought to some kind of omnipotent messiah figure.

throw8383833jj 4y ago
well, people already do that with their news feed.
- commandlinefan 4y ago
  And before social media news feeds, people were doing that with newspapers for generations. Those people have always been around.
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dqpb 4y ago
Prove that this is actually happening.
- tiborsaas 4y ago
  I've talked to people and read comments a lot, but there's no proof that you'd probably accept. My impression is that this attitude definitely exists. Some people are already ditching search engines and rely mostly on ChatGPT, some are even talking about AI tech in general with religious awe.
computerex 4y ago
This is why when I spot a Tesla on the road, I make every effort to try and get as far away from it as possible. Placing a machine vision model at the helm of a multi-ton vehicle has got to be one of the dumbest things the regulators have let Elon get away with.
- withinboredom 4y ago
  Saw a Tesla get pulled over on the Autobahn for holding the left lane and being too slow. That was one of my favorite moments on the road. Second only to watching a team of truckers box in an asshole driver while going up a mountain.
- _joel 4y ago
  Has it been proven to be worse than normal drivers that pass their test?
  - jldugger 4y ago
    Where would that data live and how would we disentangle it from income effects?
    - oakashes 4y ago
      I don't think you would need to disentangle it from income effects to address the concern of someone who actively avoids Teslas on the road, unless they also actively avoid cars that look like they belong to people with low income.
      - jldugger 4y ago
        > I don't think you would need to disentangle it from income effects to address the concern Good point, I was mainly thinking of the 'AI saves lives' argument. > of someone who actively avoids Teslas on the road, unless they also actively avoid cars Probably they should avoid hitting _any_ cars =)
  - kypro 4y ago
    What does worse mean? Tesla's AI drives worse than an 80 year old with cataracts, but on the other hand it can react faster to obstacles than the fastest race-car drivers. I don't own a Tesla so have no direct experience, but my guess would be that it might crash less than a human, but has far more near-misses.
yetihehe 4y ago
If we delete first sentence of your post and leave only > People are too willing to give up their responsibility of critical thought to some kind of omnipotent messiah figure. This essentially describes humans probably since before we became homo sapiens. We again and again choose into positions of power those who can look competent instead of actual competent people.
- LesZedCB 4y ago
  i wish somebody would write an entire science fiction series about this! maybe set on a desert planet, after humanity made the same mistake with intelligent machines as well https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_(novel) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_(novel)
  - CatWChainsaw 4y ago
    "Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hopes that it would set them free. But that only allowed other men with machines to control them."
dagw 4y ago
The amount of trust people are willing to place in AI is far more terrifying than the capabilities of these AI systems. I don't know, people seem to quickly adjust their expectations to reality. Listening the conversation around ChatGPT that I'm hearing around me, people have become a lot more sceptical over just the last couple of weeks, as they've gotten a chance to use the system hands on rather than just read articles about it.
- kahnclusions 4y ago
  I’ve tried playing around with it quite a bit for the “choose your own adventure” type games. It’s really good at generating text and following prompts. Letting later responses use the previous prompts and responses as input really gives the illusion of a conversation. But it’s extremely limited… you run up against the limits of what it really can do very quickly.
  - Agentlien 4y ago
    I've not tried this with ChatGPT yet, but I've played a lot of AI Dungeon and it has series trouble remaining consistent over time. Is ChatGPT better?
- kenjackson 4y ago
  I've gone just the opposite. The ability for me to ask my own questions has impressed me more than the articles. In part because articles always hype up technology in a crazy way. This is the first technology since -- probably the Apple iPhone touchscreen where I'm like, "this is better than they hype seemed to convey". I think the goalposts have moved greatly though. Just a couple of years ago, most lay tech folks would've laughed you out the room if you suggested this could be done. The summarized answers by Bing and Google are relics comparitatively.
gl-prod 4y ago
Because the term AI linked with chatting bot misleads people into thinking it's something like AGI or Iron Man's JARVIS.
jackmott42 4y ago
Which person or persons specifically are you referring to?
- noobermin 4y ago
  Every other day, a poster comments how they make presentations or write code using chatgpt. Just in another thread, someone posted how chatgpt solved their coding problem...which a quick google search would have solved as well, as others in the replies to it pointed out. Whenever I've used chatgpt I was impressed at the surface level, but digging deeper into a convo always turned up circular HS tier BS'ing. The fact that so many people online and on HN are saying chatgpt is astounding and revolutionary are just betraying that that such HS-essay level BS is convincing to them, and it's somewhat of a depressing though that so many people are so easy striken by a confidence trick.
  - rockinghigh 4y ago
    I have been using ChatGPT successfully for coding tasks for the last two months. It's often faster than a Google search because it delivers the code, can explain it, and can write a unit test.
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  - pixl97 4y ago
    >which a quick google search would have solved as well, You mean 'may' have solved that. Google is becoming a bullshit generator for SEO farms and spitting out ads at such a rate it can be near useless for some questions. Now the real question is, can we tell when Google or GPT is dumping bullshit on us.
hummus_bae 4y ago
Although AI can’t be trusted, we can trust that AI can’t be trusted.

throw8383833jj 4y ago

well, people already do that with their news feed.

commandlinefan 4y ago
And before social media news feeds, people were doing that with newspapers for generations. Those people have always been around.
- deleted 4y ago
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dqpb 4y ago

Prove that this is actually happening.

tiborsaas 4y ago
I've talked to people and read comments a lot, but there's no proof that you'd probably accept. My impression is that this attitude definitely exists. Some people are already ditching search engines and rely mostly on ChatGPT, some are even talking about AI tech in general with religious awe.

computerex 4y ago

This is why when I spot a Tesla on the road, I make every effort to try and get as far away from it as possible. Placing a machine vision model at the helm of a multi-ton vehicle has got to be one of the dumbest things the regulators have let Elon get away with.

withinboredom 4y ago
Saw a Tesla get pulled over on the Autobahn for holding the left lane and being too slow. That was one of my favorite moments on the road. Second only to watching a team of truckers box in an asshole driver while going up a mountain.
_joel 4y ago
Has it been proven to be worse than normal drivers that pass their test?
- jldugger 4y ago
  Where would that data live and how would we disentangle it from income effects?
  - oakashes 4y ago
    I don't think you would need to disentangle it from income effects to address the concern of someone who actively avoids Teslas on the road, unless they also actively avoid cars that look like they belong to people with low income.
    - jldugger 4y ago
      > I don't think you would need to disentangle it from income effects to address the concern Good point, I was mainly thinking of the 'AI saves lives' argument. > of someone who actively avoids Teslas on the road, unless they also actively avoid cars Probably they should avoid hitting _any_ cars =)
- kypro 4y ago
  What does worse mean? Tesla's AI drives worse than an 80 year old with cataracts, but on the other hand it can react faster to obstacles than the fastest race-car drivers. I don't own a Tesla so have no direct experience, but my guess would be that it might crash less than a human, but has far more near-misses.

yetihehe 4y ago

If we delete first sentence of your post and leave only > People are too willing to give up their responsibility of critical thought to some kind of omnipotent messiah figure. This essentially describes humans probably since before we became homo sapiens. We again and again choose into positions of power those who can look competent instead of actual competent people.

LesZedCB 4y ago
i wish somebody would write an entire science fiction series about this! maybe set on a desert planet, after humanity made the same mistake with intelligent machines as well https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_(novel) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_(novel)
- CatWChainsaw 4y ago
  "Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hopes that it would set them free. But that only allowed other men with machines to control them."

dagw 4y ago

The amount of trust people are willing to place in AI is far more terrifying than the capabilities of these AI systems. I don't know, people seem to quickly adjust their expectations to reality. Listening the conversation around ChatGPT that I'm hearing around me, people have become a lot more sceptical over just the last couple of weeks, as they've gotten a chance to use the system hands on rather than just read articles about it.

kahnclusions 4y ago
I’ve tried playing around with it quite a bit for the “choose your own adventure” type games. It’s really good at generating text and following prompts. Letting later responses use the previous prompts and responses as input really gives the illusion of a conversation. But it’s extremely limited… you run up against the limits of what it really can do very quickly.
- Agentlien 4y ago
  I've not tried this with ChatGPT yet, but I've played a lot of AI Dungeon and it has series trouble remaining consistent over time. Is ChatGPT better?
kenjackson 4y ago
I've gone just the opposite. The ability for me to ask my own questions has impressed me more than the articles. In part because articles always hype up technology in a crazy way. This is the first technology since -- probably the Apple iPhone touchscreen where I'm like, "this is better than they hype seemed to convey". I think the goalposts have moved greatly though. Just a couple of years ago, most lay tech folks would've laughed you out the room if you suggested this could be done. The summarized answers by Bing and Google are relics comparitatively.

gl-prod 4y ago

Because the term AI linked with chatting bot misleads people into thinking it's something like AGI or Iron Man's JARVIS.

jackmott42 4y ago

Which person or persons specifically are you referring to?

noobermin 4y ago
Every other day, a poster comments how they make presentations or write code using chatgpt. Just in another thread, someone posted how chatgpt solved their coding problem...which a quick google search would have solved as well, as others in the replies to it pointed out. Whenever I've used chatgpt I was impressed at the surface level, but digging deeper into a convo always turned up circular HS tier BS'ing. The fact that so many people online and on HN are saying chatgpt is astounding and revolutionary are just betraying that that such HS-essay level BS is convincing to them, and it's somewhat of a depressing though that so many people are so easy striken by a confidence trick.
- rockinghigh 4y ago
  I have been using ChatGPT successfully for coding tasks for the last two months. It's often faster than a Google search because it delivers the code, can explain it, and can write a unit test.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
- pixl97 4y ago
  >which a quick google search would have solved as well, You mean 'may' have solved that. Google is becoming a bullshit generator for SEO farms and spitting out ads at such a rate it can be near useless for some questions. Now the real question is, can we tell when Google or GPT is dumping bullshit on us.

hummus_bae 4y ago

Although AI can’t be trusted, we can trust that AI can’t be trusted.