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I've heard some people cite quantum physics to explain free will and consciousness, although these arguments always seemed completely unsupported and a form of

by kypro 4y ago

I've heard some people cite quantum physics to explain free will and consciousness, although these arguments always seemed completely unsupported and a form of "god of the gaps" reasoning to me. But being charitable I suppose if you subscribe to the idea that creativity and consciousness arise from quantum behaviours then perhaps it makes sense. It would suggest we likely have the architecture of an AGI completely wrong currently though, so I'm not sure how this really relates to AIs like ChatGPT.

adamsmith143 4y ago
It's not relevant at all and quantum woowoo for consciousness is just that. There don't seem to be any structures small enough in the brain to allow for quantum effects and the temperature in the brain is so high that decoherence ensures that there are likely no quantum effects present at all.
- goatlover 4y ago
  Wigner's Friend is still a paradox that might be solved by a quantum computing AGI.
  - adamsmith143 4y ago
    Ok most of these "Paradoxes" are due to interpretation of QM. We don't have to discuss that as several interpretations resolve the so called paradox. But "Quantum Computing AGI" is a complete non sequitur. It's just not a thing that needs to exist, as I already said quantum computing doesn't bring anything new to that table for current AI technology(Deep Learning).
    - neom 4y ago
      QC is good at predicting the future. https://www.livescience.com/65271-quantum-computer-sees-16-futures.html https://www.livescience.com/65271-quantum-computer-sees-16-f... https://ietresearch.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1049/iet-qtc.2020.0026 https://ietresearch.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1049/... https://spectrum.ieee.org/quantum-machine-learning https://spectrum.ieee.org/quantum-machine-learning
bakuninsbart 4y ago
> I've heard some people cite quantum physics to explain free will and consciousness, although these arguments always seemed completely unsupported and a form of "god of the gaps" reasoning to me. Certainly a kind of god of the gaps reasoning, but actually quite relevant to our discussions of ai. If the world is fully deterministic, there's little room for the independent thought and free will we thinks makes our human existence special. We are then maybe just relatively sophisticated prediction engines, and even an LLM like ChatGPT isn't fundamentally dissimilar to us.

by kypro 4y ago

adamsmith143 4y ago

It's not relevant at all and quantum woowoo for consciousness is just that. There don't seem to be any structures small enough in the brain to allow for quantum effects and the temperature in the brain is so high that decoherence ensures that there are likely no quantum effects present at all.

goatlover 4y ago
Wigner's Friend is still a paradox that might be solved by a quantum computing AGI.
- adamsmith143 4y ago
  Ok most of these "Paradoxes" are due to interpretation of QM. We don't have to discuss that as several interpretations resolve the so called paradox. But "Quantum Computing AGI" is a complete non sequitur. It's just not a thing that needs to exist, as I already said quantum computing doesn't bring anything new to that table for current AI technology(Deep Learning).
  - neom 4y ago
    QC is good at predicting the future. https://www.livescience.com/65271-quantum-computer-sees-16-futures.html https://www.livescience.com/65271-quantum-computer-sees-16-f... https://ietresearch.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1049/iet-qtc.2020.0026 https://ietresearch.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1049/... https://spectrum.ieee.org/quantum-machine-learning https://spectrum.ieee.org/quantum-machine-learning

bakuninsbart 4y ago

> I've heard some people cite quantum physics to explain free will and consciousness, although these arguments always seemed completely unsupported and a form of "god of the gaps" reasoning to me. Certainly a kind of god of the gaps reasoning, but actually quite relevant to our discussions of ai. If the world is fully deterministic, there's little room for the independent thought and free will we thinks makes our human existence special. We are then maybe just relatively sophisticated prediction engines, and even an LLM like ChatGPT isn't fundamentally dissimilar to us.