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For you and anyone else with experience, is that the most common/battle-tested cljs stack? What about servers-side, any equivalent Django or FastAPI?

by ndr 4y ago

dgb23 4y ago
If you want a complete, integrated "stack" that stitches some of the most common libraries together in a uniform structure you might have a look at kit: https://kit-clj.github.io/ https://kit-clj.github.io/
- cutler 4y ago
  If you're coming to Kit from Luminus make sure you understand Kit's use of Integrant which involves passing `query-fn` down from the route to every function which accesses SQL. It was a deal-breaker for me.
dack 4y ago
The cljs stack I hear about a lot (and use) is ShadowCLJS with reagent (https://reagent-project.github.io/ https://reagent-project.github.io/) and re-frame (https://day8.github.io/re-frame/ https://day8.github.io/re-frame/). ShadowCLJS is more of a build tool, but is really well documented and easy to use. Reagent is basically react but a simpler API, and re-frame is a layer on top of that kinda like redux. It's overkill for some apps but I find it's actually super easy to work with and not as much complexity as I thought. For backend there is luminus (https://luminusweb.com/ https://luminusweb.com/) or Kit (https://kit-clj.github.io/ https://kit-clj.github.io/). They are basically project templates that wire together a ton of popular solutions for various things - database access, migrations, security, html templating, etc. Also includes frontend frameworks like re-frame if you want. edit: forgot to mention fulcro (https://fulcro.fulcrologic.com/ https://fulcro.fulcrologic.com/) which is an interesting full stack solution. I haven't used it though so can't comment, but it sure seems documented well!
- ndr 4y ago
  Thank you. What about leiningen vs boot vs deps.edn? Did any of this come ahead as a winner in the recent years? It's been a while since I've looked into this.
  - simongray 4y ago
    No one uses Boot. The choice is between Leiningen and deps.edn AKA the official Clojure CLI. Personally, I switched to deps.edn back in 2020 and haven't looked back. I like that it's simpler/does less out of the box and I also use the Git dependency feature all the time (you can reference a git sha as a dependency, not just Maven coordinates). Something like 90% of it is just listing dependencies (the same packages as it's all just Maven anyway) and for the remaining 10% of configuration there's plenty of resources available for both. They can also interop to some extent. Other ecosystems have it much worse than Clojure in this regard.
  - gtoast 4y ago
    Boot died, sadly. There was some talk of a Boot 3.0 but it never materialized. I think deps.edn took all the steam out of it. Duplicated a lot of functionality and none of the esoteric-ness.
ARandomerDude 4y ago
No affiliation, but I think this is a great example CRUD API. https://github.com/dharrigan/startrek https://github.com/dharrigan/startrek
slugbtye 4y ago
I recently have been building a internal web app for managing customers and am super happy with shadow-cljs (develop/build) + reagent (view) + re-frame (state/events) + garden (css). I especially like how easy shadow-cljs makes it to utilize both clojars and npm pacakges. I have been using JS/TS for a long time and feel like any webdev without npm packages would not be worth my time, especially for projects at work. Re-frame has a very robust api for dealing with events, side effects, and state. Once I got used to the concepts in the documentation, very good docs but a little goofy, It has quickly become the most efficient and fun tool I have ever used to prototype complex frontend interfaces :) Glad to be using cljs at work, but I'm not sure I would use this stack for non-internal tooling though.
- ndr 4y ago
  Nice to hear a current user! The last part is a bit scary, what would push you against using it for external facing products?

For you and anyone else with experience, is that the most common/battle-tested cljs stack? What about servers-side, any equivalent Django or FastAPI?

by ndr 4y ago

For you and anyone else with experience, is that the most common/battle-tested cljs stack? What about servers-side, any equivalent Django or FastAPI?

dgb23 4y ago

If you want a complete, integrated "stack" that stitches some of the most common libraries together in a uniform structure you might have a look at kit: https://kit-clj.github.io/ https://kit-clj.github.io/

cutler 4y ago
If you're coming to Kit from Luminus make sure you understand Kit's use of Integrant which involves passing `query-fn` down from the route to every function which accesses SQL. It was a deal-breaker for me.

dack 4y ago

The cljs stack I hear about a lot (and use) is ShadowCLJS with reagent (https://reagent-project.github.io/ https://reagent-project.github.io/) and re-frame (https://day8.github.io/re-frame/ https://day8.github.io/re-frame/). ShadowCLJS is more of a build tool, but is really well documented and easy to use. Reagent is basically react but a simpler API, and re-frame is a layer on top of that kinda like redux. It's overkill for some apps but I find it's actually super easy to work with and not as much complexity as I thought. For backend there is luminus (https://luminusweb.com/ https://luminusweb.com/) or Kit (https://kit-clj.github.io/ https://kit-clj.github.io/). They are basically project templates that wire together a ton of popular solutions for various things - database access, migrations, security, html templating, etc. Also includes frontend frameworks like re-frame if you want. edit: forgot to mention fulcro (https://fulcro.fulcrologic.com/ https://fulcro.fulcrologic.com/) which is an interesting full stack solution. I haven't used it though so can't comment, but it sure seems documented well!

ndr 4y ago
Thank you. What about leiningen vs boot vs deps.edn? Did any of this come ahead as a winner in the recent years? It's been a while since I've looked into this.
- simongray 4y ago
  No one uses Boot. The choice is between Leiningen and deps.edn AKA the official Clojure CLI. Personally, I switched to deps.edn back in 2020 and haven't looked back. I like that it's simpler/does less out of the box and I also use the Git dependency feature all the time (you can reference a git sha as a dependency, not just Maven coordinates). Something like 90% of it is just listing dependencies (the same packages as it's all just Maven anyway) and for the remaining 10% of configuration there's plenty of resources available for both. They can also interop to some extent. Other ecosystems have it much worse than Clojure in this regard.
- gtoast 4y ago
  Boot died, sadly. There was some talk of a Boot 3.0 but it never materialized. I think deps.edn took all the steam out of it. Duplicated a lot of functionality and none of the esoteric-ness.

ARandomerDude 4y ago

No affiliation, but I think this is a great example CRUD API. https://github.com/dharrigan/startrek https://github.com/dharrigan/startrek

slugbtye 4y ago

I recently have been building a internal web app for managing customers and am super happy with shadow-cljs (develop/build) + reagent (view) + re-frame (state/events) + garden (css). I especially like how easy shadow-cljs makes it to utilize both clojars and npm pacakges. I have been using JS/TS for a long time and feel like any webdev without npm packages would not be worth my time, especially for projects at work. Re-frame has a very robust api for dealing with events, side effects, and state. Once I got used to the concepts in the documentation, very good docs but a little goofy, It has quickly become the most efficient and fun tool I have ever used to prototype complex frontend interfaces :) Glad to be using cljs at work, but I'm not sure I would use this stack for non-internal tooling though.

ndr 4y ago
Nice to hear a current user! The last part is a bit scary, what would push you against using it for external facing products?