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Interesting. Lightweight, $1000, iPhone only (for face scanning), but tying into the SteamVR/Index ecosystem. No inside-out tracking. They advertise shareabili

Interesting. Lightweight, $1000, iPhone only (for face scanning), but tying into the SteamVR/Index ecosystem. No inside-out tracking. They advertise shareability via magnetically removable foam, but also say they've reduced weight by making 15 different versions for IPDs between 58mm and 72mm, suggesting sharing will only work well among those with similar IPDs. Not super compelling IMHO unless you own a modern iPhone and you're already heavily invested in a gaming PC and the Steam ecosystem (which, admittedly, many are!)

ladberg 4y ago
To clarify, the face scanning part can be done with a friend's iPhone and it's a one-time thing.
- MikusR 4y ago
  It still requires you to have a friend and have a friend with the specific iPhone.
  - adammarples 4y ago
    Or be anywhere near an apple store. How else would you rather they took a custom face scan
    - MikusR 4y ago
      You know that apple stores are not in every country?
  - dymk 4y ago
    "specific" being any iphone made in the last 4 years (iPhone XR)
reaperducer 4y ago
a modern iPhone It uses an iPhone XR or above. The XR was released five years ago.
kitsunesoba 4y ago
This is on my radar to keep an eye on at least. I use a Quest 2 mainly for playing the modded PC version of Beat Saber, and it's decent but has some annoying drawbacks — mainly, it's front-heavy due to onboard compute and battery, which I've offset with a counterweight on the back of the strap, which in turn increases total unit weight. Also, while its inside-out tracking is convenient it's also very fussy about environment lighting, with it easily forgetting its guardian boundaries with minor lighting changes, and it occasionally loses tracking with sudden head or arm movements. It's also a Meta product and firmly locked into Windows (no hope of using it under Linux). The Index is the next best thing but the current revision of that is getting a bit long on the tooth, so until Valve gives the Index a spec bump, things like this seem like the best bet for a headset upgrade.
- mrguyorama 4y ago
  The problem with bumping the specs of the index is that Valve knows how few people with VR headsets have a GPU that can push higher resolutions. GPU improvements have NOT trickled down, and going from the original Vive to the Index was already about a $420 new GPU, and that was before the insanity of GPU pricing the last few years. Valve knows how many Steam VR users have like 4080's and 4090's, or AMD's flagship, and the numbers aren't good.
  - kitsunesoba 4y ago
    That's true. Honestly, I don't really need better screen tech in a new headset, just reduced bulk and weight and ideally better tracking. An Index v2 which targets the specs of the original in a much more compact and lightweight device would be plenty attractive too. It's just hard to justify its current price with how long it's been out.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
  You actually can use it under Linux with ALVR, from what I understand.
- navjack27 4y ago
  I also have a quest 2 and I recently bought the official upgraded strap and the official fit kit to go along with the custom lenses so I can see without my glasses in there and I just gotta say that the quest 2 is worlds more comfortable now. Before I would fidget around with it for tens of minutes before it would be even reasonably correctly aligned with my eyes with my complicated prescription on my lenses. But now I just put the quest 2 on my face and it's comfortable and I could see in it. I also did previously own an index and also had custom lenses for that and I think the quest 2 that I own now is way better especially over USB but wireless is pretty good too.

ladberg 4y ago

To clarify, the face scanning part can be done with a friend's iPhone and it's a one-time thing.

MikusR 4y ago
It still requires you to have a friend and have a friend with the specific iPhone.
- adammarples 4y ago
  Or be anywhere near an apple store. How else would you rather they took a custom face scan
  - MikusR 4y ago
    You know that apple stores are not in every country?
- dymk 4y ago
  "specific" being any iphone made in the last 4 years (iPhone XR)

reaperducer 4y ago

a modern iPhone It uses an iPhone XR or above. The XR was released five years ago.

kitsunesoba 4y ago

This is on my radar to keep an eye on at least. I use a Quest 2 mainly for playing the modded PC version of Beat Saber, and it's decent but has some annoying drawbacks — mainly, it's front-heavy due to onboard compute and battery, which I've offset with a counterweight on the back of the strap, which in turn increases total unit weight. Also, while its inside-out tracking is convenient it's also very fussy about environment lighting, with it easily forgetting its guardian boundaries with minor lighting changes, and it occasionally loses tracking with sudden head or arm movements. It's also a Meta product and firmly locked into Windows (no hope of using it under Linux). The Index is the next best thing but the current revision of that is getting a bit long on the tooth, so until Valve gives the Index a spec bump, things like this seem like the best bet for a headset upgrade.

mrguyorama 4y ago
The problem with bumping the specs of the index is that Valve knows how few people with VR headsets have a GPU that can push higher resolutions. GPU improvements have NOT trickled down, and going from the original Vive to the Index was already about a $420 new GPU, and that was before the insanity of GPU pricing the last few years. Valve knows how many Steam VR users have like 4080's and 4090's, or AMD's flagship, and the numbers aren't good.
- kitsunesoba 4y ago
  That's true. Honestly, I don't really need better screen tech in a new headset, just reduced bulk and weight and ideally better tracking. An Index v2 which targets the specs of the original in a much more compact and lightweight device would be plenty attractive too. It's just hard to justify its current price with how long it's been out.
AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
You actually can use it under Linux with ALVR, from what I understand.
navjack27 4y ago
I also have a quest 2 and I recently bought the official upgraded strap and the official fit kit to go along with the custom lenses so I can see without my glasses in there and I just gotta say that the quest 2 is worlds more comfortable now. Before I would fidget around with it for tens of minutes before it would be even reasonably correctly aligned with my eyes with my complicated prescription on my lenses. But now I just put the quest 2 on my face and it's comfortable and I could see in it. I also did previously own an index and also had custom lenses for that and I think the quest 2 that I own now is way better especially over USB but wireless is pretty good too.