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Btw, Amazon frequently breaks laws it understands well - latest from 2 weeks ago: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/31/business/economy/amazon-union-staten-island

Btw, Amazon frequently breaks laws it understands well - latest from 2 weeks ago: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/31/business/economy/amazon-union-staten-island-nlrb.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/31/business/economy/amazon-u... Their behavior hasn't changed, this isn't the first time. Not even laws save us from power.

capableweb 4y ago
Absolutely, Amazon famously push anti-union propaganda in their workplace (just talk with anyone working either at corporate or at the shipping centers) and move centers just to avoid union-heavy regions. Also worth noting, blamazon (parent commentator) seems to work for Amazon (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25758868 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25758868), or at least previously worked for them so probably sitting on a bunch of AMZN stock, but they never disclosed that, so might want to take their positive views of Amazon with a bit of salt.
- blamazon 4y ago
  Previously, yes. I try to avoid talking about the labor issue because well, exactly what you pointed out. My comment above deserves an asterisk in this regard, it occurred to me but I figured repliers would suredly provide worthy counterexamples that I could just upvote, which was intellectually lazy of me and I do apologize. To future readers, consider this reply chain the asterisk I guess.
- deltree7 4y ago
  Why is it propaganda when it is anti-union and not when it is pro-union?
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  - blamazon 4y ago
    As a tangent that I found intriguing, here's some pro-union propaganda from the 40s in the USA: https://dlg.usg.edu/record/gsu_mhross_8075?canvas=3&x=628&y=1041&w=2342 https://dlg.usg.edu/record/gsu_mhross_8075?canvas=3&x=628&y=... Interesting to see the Unions vs. Communism messaging.
voakbasda 4y ago
Companies will always break the law, if the cost of paying for litigation and penalties (whether financial or reputation) is less than the profit they stand to make. Regulations also need to have consequences and enforcement, but the companies can lobby to reduce or eliminate those elements when politicians are drafting new regulations. I think the general public believes that simply making it illegal will be sufficient; it is not, but that perception is what permits corporations to get away with this kind of political tampering.

capableweb 4y ago

Absolutely, Amazon famously push anti-union propaganda in their workplace (just talk with anyone working either at corporate or at the shipping centers) and move centers just to avoid union-heavy regions. Also worth noting, blamazon (parent commentator) seems to work for Amazon (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25758868 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25758868), or at least previously worked for them so probably sitting on a bunch of AMZN stock, but they never disclosed that, so might want to take their positive views of Amazon with a bit of salt.

blamazon 4y ago
Previously, yes. I try to avoid talking about the labor issue because well, exactly what you pointed out. My comment above deserves an asterisk in this regard, it occurred to me but I figured repliers would suredly provide worthy counterexamples that I could just upvote, which was intellectually lazy of me and I do apologize. To future readers, consider this reply chain the asterisk I guess.
deltree7 4y ago
Why is it propaganda when it is anti-union and not when it is pro-union?
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- blamazon 4y ago
  As a tangent that I found intriguing, here's some pro-union propaganda from the 40s in the USA: https://dlg.usg.edu/record/gsu_mhross_8075?canvas=3&x=628&y=1041&w=2342 https://dlg.usg.edu/record/gsu_mhross_8075?canvas=3&x=628&y=... Interesting to see the Unions vs. Communism messaging.

voakbasda 4y ago

Companies will always break the law, if the cost of paying for litigation and penalties (whether financial or reputation) is less than the profit they stand to make. Regulations also need to have consequences and enforcement, but the companies can lobby to reduce or eliminate those elements when politicians are drafting new regulations. I think the general public believes that simply making it illegal will be sufficient; it is not, but that perception is what permits corporations to get away with this kind of political tampering.