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It doesn't cost you anything to not collect my PII.

by neoromantique 4y ago

davidmurdoch 4y ago
What if you are abusing a service? Can I collect it then?
- neoromantique 4y ago
  This is quite a leap from unnecessary phone home request to check version, but alas it already has been answered in depth in other comments.
  - davidmurdoch 4y ago
    Not a leap. The conversation jumped to the broader conversation of GDPR and PII a few comments up. Running a service that might serve an EU citizen quickly escalates to involving lawyers and performing risk analysis in relation to being sued in a court across the ocean.
    - neoromantique 4y ago
      >Running a service that might serve an EU citizen quickly escalates to involving lawyers and performing risk analysis in relation to being sued in a court across the ocean. Running any service where you are not sure of legal requirements might require consulting a lawyer first, how is it unique to GDPR? And in order to be on the radar for GDPR violations as a small business you REALLY need to do something seriously wrong.
      - davidmurdoch 4y ago
        I actually think I may be mistaken. I've always believed GDPR was a regulation that crossed borders. Meaning it applies to any EU citizen, no matter where they are located, which is what made this unique (being that it's not my countries laws). But: > The GDPR applies to: > > a company established outside the EU and is offering goods/services (paid or for free) or is monitoring the behaviour of individuals in the EU. from https://commission.europa.eu/law/law-topic/data-protection/reform/rules-business-and-organisations/application-regulation/who-does-data-protection-law-apply_en https://commission.europa.eu/law/law-topic/data-protection/r... So now I'm wondering if an IP address reverse-geo lookup to block IPs in the EU is the easy way out for many online services, presuming that this doesn't cause compliance issues for EU users using a VPN.
        neoromantique 4y ago
        It sure is a good way to communicate that you don't care about my privacy and should not be getting my money ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
        davidmurdoch 4y ago
        GDPR is a headache and makes doing the right thing harder.
        neoromantique 4y ago
        No.
        davidmurdoch 4y ago
        Yes.
- arp242 4y ago
  Yes. "Processing shall be lawful only if and to the extent that at least one of the following applies: [..] processing is necessary for the purposes of the legitimate interests pursued by the controller or by a third party, except where such interests are overridden by the interests or fundamental rights and freedoms of the data subject which require protection of personal data" Reasonable abuse protection clearly falls under that, as has been fairly clearly stated even in the GDPR itself: https://gdpr-info.eu/recitals/no-49/ https://gdpr-info.eu/recitals/no-49/
Uvix 4y ago
But I don't know what counts as PII because the regulations are so vague.
- JohnFen 4y ago
  All of the legal definitions of "PII" leave out a ton that is actually personally-identifying information. Just have personal standards that exceed all of the laws. No problem.

It doesn't cost you anything to not collect my PII.

davidmurdoch 4y ago

What if you are abusing a service? Can I collect it then?

neoromantique 4y ago
This is quite a leap from unnecessary phone home request to check version, but alas it already has been answered in depth in other comments.
- davidmurdoch 4y ago
  Not a leap. The conversation jumped to the broader conversation of GDPR and PII a few comments up. Running a service that might serve an EU citizen quickly escalates to involving lawyers and performing risk analysis in relation to being sued in a court across the ocean.
  - neoromantique 4y ago
    >Running a service that might serve an EU citizen quickly escalates to involving lawyers and performing risk analysis in relation to being sued in a court across the ocean. Running any service where you are not sure of legal requirements might require consulting a lawyer first, how is it unique to GDPR? And in order to be on the radar for GDPR violations as a small business you REALLY need to do something seriously wrong.
    - davidmurdoch 4y ago
      I actually think I may be mistaken. I've always believed GDPR was a regulation that crossed borders. Meaning it applies to any EU citizen, no matter where they are located, which is what made this unique (being that it's not my countries laws). But: > The GDPR applies to: > > a company established outside the EU and is offering goods/services (paid or for free) or is monitoring the behaviour of individuals in the EU. from https://commission.europa.eu/law/law-topic/data-protection/reform/rules-business-and-organisations/application-regulation/who-does-data-protection-law-apply_en https://commission.europa.eu/law/law-topic/data-protection/r... So now I'm wondering if an IP address reverse-geo lookup to block IPs in the EU is the easy way out for many online services, presuming that this doesn't cause compliance issues for EU users using a VPN.
      - neoromantique 4y ago
        It sure is a good way to communicate that you don't care about my privacy and should not be getting my money ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
        davidmurdoch 4y ago
        GDPR is a headache and makes doing the right thing harder.
        neoromantique 4y ago
        No.
        davidmurdoch 4y ago
        Yes.
arp242 4y ago
Yes. "Processing shall be lawful only if and to the extent that at least one of the following applies: [..] processing is necessary for the purposes of the legitimate interests pursued by the controller or by a third party, except where such interests are overridden by the interests or fundamental rights and freedoms of the data subject which require protection of personal data" Reasonable abuse protection clearly falls under that, as has been fairly clearly stated even in the GDPR itself: https://gdpr-info.eu/recitals/no-49/ https://gdpr-info.eu/recitals/no-49/

Uvix 4y ago

But I don't know what counts as PII because the regulations are so vague.

JohnFen 4y ago
All of the legal definitions of "PII" leave out a ton that is actually personally-identifying information. Just have personal standards that exceed all of the laws. No problem.