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I'm not sure how that works in Germany, but these fees are "seen". It's not like you're not legally agreeing to them. The trouble is they're only seen when you'

I'm not sure how that works in Germany, but these fees are "seen". It's not like you're not legally agreeing to them. The trouble is they're only seen when you're, say, at the last screen of checking out. How do they avoid that in Germany?

sigwinch28 4y ago
law and enforcement
ceejayoz 4y ago
> How do they avoid that in Germany? By requiring any listed price to be inclusive of fees. Australia does the same. No "$100/night" in the search results if the checkout adds a $20/night resort fee.
chmod775 4y ago
> The trouble is they're only seen when you're, say, at the last screen of checking out. How do they avoid that in Germany? If they're adding a surcharge for something you would reasonably expect to be included in the offering which they advertised at a lower price, it would be false advertising. You'd at least run afoul of the act against unfair competition: German version / English version §5 Misleading commercial practices: https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/uwg_2004/__5.html https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/uwg_2004/__5.html / https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_uwg/englisch_uwg.html#p0061 https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_uwg/englisch_uwg... §5a Misleading by omission: https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/uwg_2004/__5a.html https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/uwg_2004/__5a.html / https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_uwg/englisch_uwg.html#p0073 https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_uwg/englisch_uwg... Some quotes: > A commercial practice is regarded as misleading if it contains false statements or other information suited to deception regarding the following circumstances: [..] 2. the reason for the purchase, such as the existence of a specific price advantage, the price or the manner in which the price is calculated [..] > The following are also regarded as an omission of information: 1. the hiding of material information, 2. the provision of material information in an unclear, unintelligible or ambiguous manner, 3. the provision of material information in an untimely manner.
- nicbou 4y ago
  I had the Preisangabengesetz in mind, which is a separate text specifically about listing prices with all taxes and fees included.
  - chmod775 4y ago
    > I had the Preisangabengesetz in mind, which is a separate text specifically about listing prices with all taxes and fees included. That's not what it says though. It merely empowers the BMWK - with agreement of the federal assembly - to decide in which manner prices of consumer goods are be provided and calculated. They then may decide that prices of airline tickets have to be listed a certain way. It also empowers the BMWK to pretty much turn businesses upside down to make sure they're following these rules. That's pretty much all it says. It's a really short law of just two paragraphs (used to be three, but one got removed). https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/preisangg/PreisAngG.pdf https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/preisangg/PreisAngG.pdf
Cthulhu_ 4y ago
By showing them straight away - it's not like it's a difficult concept tbh. And it's enforced by regulations and fines if they are not adhered to. Again, nothing overly complicated there.

sigwinch28 4y ago

law and enforcement

ceejayoz 4y ago

> How do they avoid that in Germany? By requiring any listed price to be inclusive of fees. Australia does the same. No "$100/night" in the search results if the checkout adds a $20/night resort fee.

chmod775 4y ago

> The trouble is they're only seen when you're, say, at the last screen of checking out. How do they avoid that in Germany? If they're adding a surcharge for something you would reasonably expect to be included in the offering which they advertised at a lower price, it would be false advertising. You'd at least run afoul of the act against unfair competition: German version / English version §5 Misleading commercial practices: https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/uwg_2004/__5.html https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/uwg_2004/__5.html / https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_uwg/englisch_uwg.html#p0061 https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_uwg/englisch_uwg... §5a Misleading by omission: https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/uwg_2004/__5a.html https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/uwg_2004/__5a.html / https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_uwg/englisch_uwg.html#p0073 https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_uwg/englisch_uwg... Some quotes: > A commercial practice is regarded as misleading if it contains false statements or other information suited to deception regarding the following circumstances: [..] 2. the reason for the purchase, such as the existence of a specific price advantage, the price or the manner in which the price is calculated [..] > The following are also regarded as an omission of information: 1. the hiding of material information, 2. the provision of material information in an unclear, unintelligible or ambiguous manner, 3. the provision of material information in an untimely manner.

nicbou 4y ago
I had the Preisangabengesetz in mind, which is a separate text specifically about listing prices with all taxes and fees included.
- chmod775 4y ago
  > I had the Preisangabengesetz in mind, which is a separate text specifically about listing prices with all taxes and fees included. That's not what it says though. It merely empowers the BMWK - with agreement of the federal assembly - to decide in which manner prices of consumer goods are be provided and calculated. They then may decide that prices of airline tickets have to be listed a certain way. It also empowers the BMWK to pretty much turn businesses upside down to make sure they're following these rules. That's pretty much all it says. It's a really short law of just two paragraphs (used to be three, but one got removed). https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/preisangg/PreisAngG.pdf https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/preisangg/PreisAngG.pdf

Cthulhu_ 4y ago

By showing them straight away - it's not like it's a difficult concept tbh. And it's enforced by regulations and fines if they are not adhered to. Again, nothing overly complicated there.