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Changing jobs over video conferencing software would be extreme.

markdestouches 4y ago
But this isn't just about video conferencing software. I think it's pretty reasonable to assume that Microsoft is going to keep pushing in the same direction
kneebonian 4y ago
You'd think but if where I work ever mandated I had to stop using Linux I'd start looking elsewhere. I have to spend 8 hours a day using a tool and I get frustrated with suboptimal tools, why subject myself to that on top of everything else I have to do.
- kahrl 4y ago
  Now, I could be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure an operating system and conferencing software are two different things.
  - Tempest1981 4y ago
    Unless you're in video meetings most of your day. (Not judging)
- input_sh 4y ago
  For what it's worth, Teams is also available as a .deb/.rpm, which is I'd say unique for something with Microsoft in its name.
  - kneebonian 4y ago
    The teams .deb/.rpm sucks, and is an unmaintained electron app when MS temporarily "loving Linux". If you want an optimal teams experience download edge and run the webapp in it.
  - modo_mario 4y ago
    They said they'd keep supporting skype on Linux too when worries about that popped up on purchase then broke that promise within less than a year. Github desktop was also soon to be officially supported with basically all the legwork done. Nice that there's a community fork.
  - vortext 4y ago
    The Teams desktop client on Linux has been retired. https://www.omglinux.com/the-official-microsoft-teams-app-for-linux-is-being-retired/ https://www.omglinux.com/the-official-microsoft-teams-app-fo... https://office365itpros.com/2022/09/19/teams-pwa-linux-client/ https://office365itpros.com/2022/09/19/teams-pwa-linux-clien...
- ralmidani 4y ago
  I like your take and agree 100%. With the addition that referring to Windows 11 as “suboptimal” might be the understatement of the century.
calmoo 4y ago
I did exactly this - AMA.
gregors 4y ago
I've known several people not take a job because of Teams....
tinus_hn 4y ago
Alternatively, tell such an employer you require a company issued phone with Teams on it.
bombcar 4y ago
It's like "leave when the free soda disappears" - people who have "been around long enough" learn to notice the signs that tell them it might be time to start looking. Others (and this is entirely valid in my opinion) see and notice and decide to ride it down all the way to the ground; this can be valuable also as a dying company is likely to promote anyone who remains; title inflation is a real thing. Or another way to look at it - it's kinda extreme that a single straw would break a camel's back.
- aliqot 4y ago
  I'd love to hear more about these "leave when the free soda disappears" signs. I think a lot of us can benefit from the unmoderated experiences of others who've been in this situation. When "lifers" start disappearing that's a big indicator the show's over.
  - bombcar 4y ago
    https://steveblank.com/2009/12/21/the-elves-leave-middle-earth-–-soda’s-are-no-longer-free/ https://steveblank.com/2009/12/21/the-elves-leave-middle-ear... is the one I was thinking of Note that it doesn't even have to be malicious at all; it's just a sign that the company is switching from the company you started working at to something else. Not everyone is up for that kind of change. Imagine the difference between working at the plucky startup trying to do X and working at any of the huge companies those startups can become.
flappyeagle 4y ago
No it’s not. I work remotely. I am on slack and zoom 3-4 hours a day. It’s basically my virtual office. Imagine if there was a company policy that made your office annoyingly uncomfortable after it was totally fine before. Is it extreme to consider other options?
akdor1154 4y ago
For me it would be a clear sign that my employer does not give a shit about me when making tooling decisions. And that situation is definitely one that would have me eyeing the exits.

But this isn't just about video conferencing software. I think it's pretty reasonable to assume that Microsoft is going to keep pushing in the same direction

kneebonian 4y ago

You'd think but if where I work ever mandated I had to stop using Linux I'd start looking elsewhere. I have to spend 8 hours a day using a tool and I get frustrated with suboptimal tools, why subject myself to that on top of everything else I have to do.

kahrl 4y ago
Now, I could be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure an operating system and conferencing software are two different things.
- Tempest1981 4y ago
  Unless you're in video meetings most of your day. (Not judging)
input_sh 4y ago
For what it's worth, Teams is also available as a .deb/.rpm, which is I'd say unique for something with Microsoft in its name.
- kneebonian 4y ago
  The teams .deb/.rpm sucks, and is an unmaintained electron app when MS temporarily "loving Linux". If you want an optimal teams experience download edge and run the webapp in it.
- modo_mario 4y ago
  They said they'd keep supporting skype on Linux too when worries about that popped up on purchase then broke that promise within less than a year. Github desktop was also soon to be officially supported with basically all the legwork done. Nice that there's a community fork.
- vortext 4y ago
  The Teams desktop client on Linux has been retired. https://www.omglinux.com/the-official-microsoft-teams-app-for-linux-is-being-retired/ https://www.omglinux.com/the-official-microsoft-teams-app-fo... https://office365itpros.com/2022/09/19/teams-pwa-linux-client/ https://office365itpros.com/2022/09/19/teams-pwa-linux-clien...
ralmidani 4y ago
I like your take and agree 100%. With the addition that referring to Windows 11 as “suboptimal” might be the understatement of the century.

calmoo 4y ago

I did exactly this - AMA.

gregors 4y ago

I've known several people not take a job because of Teams....

tinus_hn 4y ago

Alternatively, tell such an employer you require a company issued phone with Teams on it.

bombcar 4y ago

It's like "leave when the free soda disappears" - people who have "been around long enough" learn to notice the signs that tell them it might be time to start looking. Others (and this is entirely valid in my opinion) see and notice and decide to ride it down all the way to the ground; this can be valuable also as a dying company is likely to promote anyone who remains; title inflation is a real thing. Or another way to look at it - it's kinda extreme that a single straw would break a camel's back.

aliqot 4y ago
I'd love to hear more about these "leave when the free soda disappears" signs. I think a lot of us can benefit from the unmoderated experiences of others who've been in this situation. When "lifers" start disappearing that's a big indicator the show's over.
- bombcar 4y ago
  https://steveblank.com/2009/12/21/the-elves-leave-middle-earth-–-soda’s-are-no-longer-free/ https://steveblank.com/2009/12/21/the-elves-leave-middle-ear... is the one I was thinking of Note that it doesn't even have to be malicious at all; it's just a sign that the company is switching from the company you started working at to something else. Not everyone is up for that kind of change. Imagine the difference between working at the plucky startup trying to do X and working at any of the huge companies those startups can become.

flappyeagle 4y ago

No it’s not. I work remotely. I am on slack and zoom 3-4 hours a day. It’s basically my virtual office. Imagine if there was a company policy that made your office annoyingly uncomfortable after it was totally fine before. Is it extreme to consider other options?

akdor1154 4y ago

For me it would be a clear sign that my employer does not give a shit about me when making tooling decisions. And that situation is definitely one that would have me eyeing the exits.