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That’s plenty of time to dust off the resume and start pounding the pavement! Very generous of Microsoft to give so much notice! Edit: for those who may think

That’s plenty of time to dust off the resume and start pounding the pavement! Very generous of Microsoft to give so much notice! Edit: for those who may think I’m overreacting to a small change in tooling, I offer this classic essay [1]. It explains the reasoning behind leaving much better than I could! [1] https://steveblank.com/2009/12/21/the-elves-leave-middle-earth-%e2%80%93-soda%e2%80%99s-are-no-longer-free/ https://steveblank.com/2009/12/21/the-elves-leave-middle-ear...

slantedview 4y ago
Changing jobs over video conferencing software would be extreme.
- markdestouches 4y ago
  But this isn't just about video conferencing software. I think it's pretty reasonable to assume that Microsoft is going to keep pushing in the same direction
- kneebonian 4y ago
  You'd think but if where I work ever mandated I had to stop using Linux I'd start looking elsewhere. I have to spend 8 hours a day using a tool and I get frustrated with suboptimal tools, why subject myself to that on top of everything else I have to do.
  - kahrl 4y ago
    Now, I could be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure an operating system and conferencing software are two different things.
    - Tempest1981 4y ago
      Unless you're in video meetings most of your day. (Not judging)
  - input_sh 4y ago
    For what it's worth, Teams is also available as a .deb/.rpm, which is I'd say unique for something with Microsoft in its name.
    - kneebonian 4y ago
      The teams .deb/.rpm sucks, and is an unmaintained electron app when MS temporarily "loving Linux". If you want an optimal teams experience download edge and run the webapp in it.
    - modo_mario 4y ago
      They said they'd keep supporting skype on Linux too when worries about that popped up on purchase then broke that promise within less than a year. Github desktop was also soon to be officially supported with basically all the legwork done. Nice that there's a community fork.
    - vortext 4y ago
      The Teams desktop client on Linux has been retired. https://www.omglinux.com/the-official-microsoft-teams-app-for-linux-is-being-retired/ https://www.omglinux.com/the-official-microsoft-teams-app-fo... https://office365itpros.com/2022/09/19/teams-pwa-linux-client/ https://office365itpros.com/2022/09/19/teams-pwa-linux-clien...
  - ralmidani 4y ago
    I like your take and agree 100%. With the addition that referring to Windows 11 as “suboptimal” might be the understatement of the century.
- calmoo 4y ago
  I did exactly this - AMA.
- gregors 4y ago
  I've known several people not take a job because of Teams....
- tinus_hn 4y ago
  Alternatively, tell such an employer you require a company issued phone with Teams on it.
- bombcar 4y ago
  It's like "leave when the free soda disappears" - people who have "been around long enough" learn to notice the signs that tell them it might be time to start looking. Others (and this is entirely valid in my opinion) see and notice and decide to ride it down all the way to the ground; this can be valuable also as a dying company is likely to promote anyone who remains; title inflation is a real thing. Or another way to look at it - it's kinda extreme that a single straw would break a camel's back.
  - aliqot 4y ago
    I'd love to hear more about these "leave when the free soda disappears" signs. I think a lot of us can benefit from the unmoderated experiences of others who've been in this situation. When "lifers" start disappearing that's a big indicator the show's over.
    - bombcar 4y ago
      https://steveblank.com/2009/12/21/the-elves-leave-middle-earth-–-soda’s-are-no-longer-free/ https://steveblank.com/2009/12/21/the-elves-leave-middle-ear... is the one I was thinking of Note that it doesn't even have to be malicious at all; it's just a sign that the company is switching from the company you started working at to something else. Not everyone is up for that kind of change. Imagine the difference between working at the plucky startup trying to do X and working at any of the huge companies those startups can become.
- flappyeagle 4y ago
  No it’s not. I work remotely. I am on slack and zoom 3-4 hours a day. It’s basically my virtual office. Imagine if there was a company policy that made your office annoyingly uncomfortable after it was totally fine before. Is it extreme to consider other options?
- akdor1154 4y ago
  For me it would be a clear sign that my employer does not give a shit about me when making tooling decisions. And that situation is definitely one that would have me eyeing the exits.
rwalle 4y ago
I would be really surprised if more than 1 out of 1000 employees does that in real life just because of a change in the corporate tools.
kahrl 4y ago
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- yamtaddle 4y ago
  Extremely-unpleasant tools can definitely contribute to leaving a company. I agree that it's a silly reason on its own, but it can be one factor of many—I mean, of course QOL at work is a factor in stay/leave decisions.
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- imperialdrive 4y ago
  You must not have to use Teams much at work. It really is that bad!
  - kahrl 4y ago
    I daresay you have little career experience, and must be an extremely entitled, fragile person if you think it "really is that bad." I have been using it at my company since 2017 when it REALLY WAS that bad. We were even coming from Slack. But it has been years since I was actually inconvenienced by it. In it's current state, it is NOT an inconvenience that rises to the level of leaving a company. I'm saying it would be idiotic, childish, and extremely entitled to leave Microsoft over the company's choice of video conferencing software. And this is coming non-Microsoft employees with no skin, complaining about a company policy they will never have to experience.
- AndrewVos 4y ago
  What’s a spectrumite?
  - aliqot 4y ago
    I understood it as a reference to those claiming autism spectrum.
red-iron-pine 4y ago
Tech layoffs are exploding and there is a looming recession and maybe world war, and you're gonna quit over the work-chat software? At least the layoffs meant people got severances; this is walking for $0 and maybe the ability to find a different office productivity suite. I mean vote with your feet and all, but if this came up in an interview I'd probably laugh at you.
- flappyeagle 4y ago
  Yes many people would quit over being forcing to use tools that make their lives harder day to day. It’s the difference over picking up a recruiter call vs ignoring. Or spending 15 min to fix up a resume. There are degrees before flipping a table and walking out. Forcing people to use teams when they are accustomed to better software pushes everyone marginally in that direction.
- chongli 4y ago
  There’s a big difference between pulling a George Costanza and quietly talking to recruiters at other companies. Don’t make a scene, just look for a better job and give notice when you get an offer.

slantedview 4y ago

Changing jobs over video conferencing software would be extreme.

markdestouches 4y ago
But this isn't just about video conferencing software. I think it's pretty reasonable to assume that Microsoft is going to keep pushing in the same direction
kneebonian 4y ago
You'd think but if where I work ever mandated I had to stop using Linux I'd start looking elsewhere. I have to spend 8 hours a day using a tool and I get frustrated with suboptimal tools, why subject myself to that on top of everything else I have to do.
- kahrl 4y ago
  Now, I could be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure an operating system and conferencing software are two different things.
  - Tempest1981 4y ago
    Unless you're in video meetings most of your day. (Not judging)
- input_sh 4y ago
  For what it's worth, Teams is also available as a .deb/.rpm, which is I'd say unique for something with Microsoft in its name.
  - kneebonian 4y ago
    The teams .deb/.rpm sucks, and is an unmaintained electron app when MS temporarily "loving Linux". If you want an optimal teams experience download edge and run the webapp in it.
  - modo_mario 4y ago
    They said they'd keep supporting skype on Linux too when worries about that popped up on purchase then broke that promise within less than a year. Github desktop was also soon to be officially supported with basically all the legwork done. Nice that there's a community fork.
  - vortext 4y ago
    The Teams desktop client on Linux has been retired. https://www.omglinux.com/the-official-microsoft-teams-app-for-linux-is-being-retired/ https://www.omglinux.com/the-official-microsoft-teams-app-fo... https://office365itpros.com/2022/09/19/teams-pwa-linux-client/ https://office365itpros.com/2022/09/19/teams-pwa-linux-clien...
- ralmidani 4y ago
  I like your take and agree 100%. With the addition that referring to Windows 11 as “suboptimal” might be the understatement of the century.
calmoo 4y ago
I did exactly this - AMA.
gregors 4y ago
I've known several people not take a job because of Teams....
tinus_hn 4y ago
Alternatively, tell such an employer you require a company issued phone with Teams on it.
bombcar 4y ago
It's like "leave when the free soda disappears" - people who have "been around long enough" learn to notice the signs that tell them it might be time to start looking. Others (and this is entirely valid in my opinion) see and notice and decide to ride it down all the way to the ground; this can be valuable also as a dying company is likely to promote anyone who remains; title inflation is a real thing. Or another way to look at it - it's kinda extreme that a single straw would break a camel's back.
- aliqot 4y ago
  I'd love to hear more about these "leave when the free soda disappears" signs. I think a lot of us can benefit from the unmoderated experiences of others who've been in this situation. When "lifers" start disappearing that's a big indicator the show's over.
  - bombcar 4y ago
    https://steveblank.com/2009/12/21/the-elves-leave-middle-earth-–-soda’s-are-no-longer-free/ https://steveblank.com/2009/12/21/the-elves-leave-middle-ear... is the one I was thinking of Note that it doesn't even have to be malicious at all; it's just a sign that the company is switching from the company you started working at to something else. Not everyone is up for that kind of change. Imagine the difference between working at the plucky startup trying to do X and working at any of the huge companies those startups can become.
flappyeagle 4y ago
No it’s not. I work remotely. I am on slack and zoom 3-4 hours a day. It’s basically my virtual office. Imagine if there was a company policy that made your office annoyingly uncomfortable after it was totally fine before. Is it extreme to consider other options?
akdor1154 4y ago
For me it would be a clear sign that my employer does not give a shit about me when making tooling decisions. And that situation is definitely one that would have me eyeing the exits.

rwalle 4y ago

I would be really surprised if more than 1 out of 1000 employees does that in real life just because of a change in the corporate tools.

kahrl 4y ago

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yamtaddle 4y ago
Extremely-unpleasant tools can definitely contribute to leaving a company. I agree that it's a silly reason on its own, but it can be one factor of many—I mean, of course QOL at work is a factor in stay/leave decisions.
- deleted 4y ago
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imperialdrive 4y ago
You must not have to use Teams much at work. It really is that bad!
- kahrl 4y ago
  I daresay you have little career experience, and must be an extremely entitled, fragile person if you think it "really is that bad." I have been using it at my company since 2017 when it REALLY WAS that bad. We were even coming from Slack. But it has been years since I was actually inconvenienced by it. In it's current state, it is NOT an inconvenience that rises to the level of leaving a company. I'm saying it would be idiotic, childish, and extremely entitled to leave Microsoft over the company's choice of video conferencing software. And this is coming non-Microsoft employees with no skin, complaining about a company policy they will never have to experience.
AndrewVos 4y ago
What’s a spectrumite?
- aliqot 4y ago
  I understood it as a reference to those claiming autism spectrum.

red-iron-pine 4y ago

Tech layoffs are exploding and there is a looming recession and maybe world war, and you're gonna quit over the work-chat software? At least the layoffs meant people got severances; this is walking for $0 and maybe the ability to find a different office productivity suite. I mean vote with your feet and all, but if this came up in an interview I'd probably laugh at you.

flappyeagle 4y ago
Yes many people would quit over being forcing to use tools that make their lives harder day to day. It’s the difference over picking up a recruiter call vs ignoring. Or spending 15 min to fix up a resume. There are degrees before flipping a table and walking out. Forcing people to use teams when they are accustomed to better software pushes everyone marginally in that direction.
chongli 4y ago
There’s a big difference between pulling a George Costanza and quietly talking to recruiters at other companies. Don’t make a scene, just look for a better job and give notice when you get an offer.