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> counterpoint: At the end of the day, I just want people to use my stuff. And its unsustainable model of development. You need contributions and developers wi

by sobkas 4y ago

> counterpoint: At the end of the day, I just want people to use my stuff. And its unsustainable model of development. You need contributions and developers willing to help with maintenance and development otherwise your project will stagnate and no one will use it(xfree86). I see only one case for permissive licence use, a reference implementation of something. Where it's purpose is for people to take it and incorporate it into their codebase without any changes(or minimal). It have problems with vendors taking source and extending it with their secret sauce(Unix wars, Kerberos(?)) but advantages are greater than potential abuse. Maybe also a case when you drop code and run in other direction(with no or minimal maintenance). It's not great development process either. >Right now, 99% of what I write ends up MIT because I just want the shortest and most permissive license for others to use what I create without bothering me. You still need a lawyer evaluate any licence even short ones. Short ones have problem that they leave more to interpretation/relie more heavily on copyright law/patent law/their interpretation can widely differ based on jurisdiction etc.. So while they can be shorter, interpretation can be as hard as long ones. Especially if copyright owner is hostile. > Not to discount the feelings of others, but in a sense I only wish I could have these problems. You started comment with desire for others to use your software. But people won't use it if it's stagnating, lacks features or is unreliable. Especially if proprietary fork covers this problems. To stay relevant you need contributions and development time. And getting contributions can be hard if licence doesn't enforces giving back.

snovv_crash 4y ago
The issue is that people won't use my stuff because the licence is viral and requires them to relicense just to use my code, even if my code is 1% of their codebase and they spent years of tedious effort making their IP. To me this is an onerous requirement. On the other hand, if they take my code and make some changes to it, and then sell access over a network, I want those changes to be brought back upstream. So to me, something like ALGPL (does that exist?) or A-MPLv2 would be ideal. Then again, I mostly write computer vision pipelines, which are very much on the library side.

by sobkas 4y ago

snovv_crash 4y ago

The issue is that people won't use my stuff because the licence is viral and requires them to relicense just to use my code, even if my code is 1% of their codebase and they spent years of tedious effort making their IP. To me this is an onerous requirement. On the other hand, if they take my code and make some changes to it, and then sell access over a network, I want those changes to be brought back upstream. So to me, something like ALGPL (does that exist?) or A-MPLv2 would be ideal. Then again, I mostly write computer vision pipelines, which are very much on the library side.