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Google getting their playbook from the VScode and .NET teams I see. https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/getstarted/telemetry https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/

Google getting their playbook from the VScode and .NET teams I see. https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/getstarted/telemetry https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/getstarted/telemetry https://stackoverflow.com/questions/64570113/how-do-i-stop-net-telemetry-to-stop-collecting-data-in-ubuntu-linux https://stackoverflow.com/questions/64570113/how-do-i-stop-n... I think it's pretty obvious that opt out telemetry rubs most people the wrong way.

acdha 4y ago
> I think it's pretty obvious that opt out telemetry rubs most people the wrong way. This is basically re-stating the opt-in challenge: we know that some people are vocally upset by it but we have to guess at the relative percentages of the groups of people who know and do not mind, don't know but would be upset, or don't know and wouldn't mind if they did. People who are upset are far more motivated to comment about it, so anyone looking at social media is going to see a lot of messages from them but still not know what percentage of the total community feels similarly. I've even seen people who aren't primarily in the Go community but very active on privacy issues commenting on this, which is perfectly legitimate but also not representative of the median Go developer.
- account42 4y ago
  This exact percentages are irrelevant. Once you know that there are any people who do not want you to collect their data the only ethical thing to do is to obtain informed consent before collecting that data.
  - acdha 4y ago
    The percentages clearly do matter because otherwise people wouldn't be trying to pad their arguments by claiming large numbers support their position. It's also important to remember that "data" covers a range of sensitivities, and vague assertions don't help the conversation. For example, the proposed system records less identifying information than visiting Golang.org but relatively few people would say it's unethical for that site not to have a mandatory opt-in requirement before loading a page - most of the interest tends to be in things like disclosure and retention policies.
deafpolygon 4y ago
https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/getstarted/telemetry#_disable-telemetry-reporting https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/getstarted/telemetry#_dis... Does a singular setting actually turn off telemetry in VS Code? (aside from Extensions telemetry)

acdha 4y ago

> I think it's pretty obvious that opt out telemetry rubs most people the wrong way. This is basically re-stating the opt-in challenge: we know that some people are vocally upset by it but we have to guess at the relative percentages of the groups of people who know and do not mind, don't know but would be upset, or don't know and wouldn't mind if they did. People who are upset are far more motivated to comment about it, so anyone looking at social media is going to see a lot of messages from them but still not know what percentage of the total community feels similarly. I've even seen people who aren't primarily in the Go community but very active on privacy issues commenting on this, which is perfectly legitimate but also not representative of the median Go developer.

account42 4y ago
This exact percentages are irrelevant. Once you know that there are any people who do not want you to collect their data the only ethical thing to do is to obtain informed consent before collecting that data.
- acdha 4y ago
  The percentages clearly do matter because otherwise people wouldn't be trying to pad their arguments by claiming large numbers support their position. It's also important to remember that "data" covers a range of sensitivities, and vague assertions don't help the conversation. For example, the proposed system records less identifying information than visiting Golang.org but relatively few people would say it's unethical for that site not to have a mandatory opt-in requirement before loading a page - most of the interest tends to be in things like disclosure and retention policies.

deafpolygon 4y ago

https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/getstarted/telemetry#_disable-telemetry-reporting https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/getstarted/telemetry#_dis... Does a singular setting actually turn off telemetry in VS Code? (aside from Extensions telemetry)