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If it's state controlled and an accident happens and there is a govt investigation, do you think it'll be more stern than one on a private company? Do you think

by bko 4y ago

If it's state controlled and an accident happens and there is a govt investigation, do you think it'll be more stern than one on a private company? Do you think enforcement of rules is stricter when enforced in house? I don't see the reasoning as to why state run services would be somehow safer. The state should set out the rules and enforce strictly

ClumsyPilot 4y ago
Do you feel like the investigation into Boeing Max disaster was stern and everyone responsible was punished?
- bko 4y ago
  I guess it depends what you're comparing it to. Boeing paid 2.5 bn and shareholders were likely unhappy compare that to an amtrak train derailment where someone literally falls asleep killing people and he wasn't even fired. Don't get me started on police union investigations... https://nypost.com/2014/10/28/engineer-fell-asleep-before-deadly-train-derailment-feds/ https://nypost.com/2014/10/28/engineer-fell-asleep-before-de...
  - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
    > Boeing paid 2.5 bn That's like $6 million per person they've killed, very cheap. In UK NHS paid over $45 million for non-lethal medical mistake. [1] > someone literally falls asleep killing people and he wasn't even fired If some accident has ever killed >50 people, it can never be the fault of one person on minimum wage. People fuck up, that's a fact of life, that's why we have co-pilots in planes, FAA was suppose to check Boeing's design, and one person going crazy can't launch the nukes. The article you linked details numerous failures by the company. You should assign responsibility up to decision makers that made tragedy inevitable, not down to pawns that happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-64352268 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-64352268
mschuster91 4y ago
> If it's state controlled and an accident happens and there is a govt investigation, do you think it'll be more stern than one on a private company? Do you think enforcement of rules is stricter when enforced in house? At least it's easier to hold public officials accountable - you can get rid of them by voting - than to hold companies accountable.
- BuyMyBitcoins 4y ago
  >”At least it's easier to hold public officials accountable - you can get rid of them by voting - than to hold companies accountable.” I disagree because most of the public officials who would be accountable are appointed to these positions, not directly elected. The representatives we elect - mayor, house representative, senator, etc. - all have a good degree of distance from direct accountability. Plus, I feel like regular partisan politics and gerrymandering also make accountability much harder to achieve.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
    Those are solvable problems if we care to fix them. In what way can we fix corporate decision making when we have no say in how they operate except through the same government you're already saying we can't hold accountable?
    - danaris 4y ago
      Ah, you see, it's easy—you just have to have a few hundred million dollars, so you can buy a bunch of shares in the company. Then they might actually listen to you. /s

by bko 4y ago

ClumsyPilot 4y ago

Do you feel like the investigation into Boeing Max disaster was stern and everyone responsible was punished?

bko 4y ago
I guess it depends what you're comparing it to. Boeing paid 2.5 bn and shareholders were likely unhappy compare that to an amtrak train derailment where someone literally falls asleep killing people and he wasn't even fired. Don't get me started on police union investigations... https://nypost.com/2014/10/28/engineer-fell-asleep-before-deadly-train-derailment-feds/ https://nypost.com/2014/10/28/engineer-fell-asleep-before-de...
- ClumsyPilot 4y ago
  > Boeing paid 2.5 bn That's like $6 million per person they've killed, very cheap. In UK NHS paid over $45 million for non-lethal medical mistake. [1] > someone literally falls asleep killing people and he wasn't even fired If some accident has ever killed >50 people, it can never be the fault of one person on minimum wage. People fuck up, that's a fact of life, that's why we have co-pilots in planes, FAA was suppose to check Boeing's design, and one person going crazy can't launch the nukes. The article you linked details numerous failures by the company. You should assign responsibility up to decision makers that made tragedy inevitable, not down to pawns that happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-64352268 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-64352268

mschuster91 4y ago

> If it's state controlled and an accident happens and there is a govt investigation, do you think it'll be more stern than one on a private company? Do you think enforcement of rules is stricter when enforced in house? At least it's easier to hold public officials accountable - you can get rid of them by voting - than to hold companies accountable.

BuyMyBitcoins 4y ago
>”At least it's easier to hold public officials accountable - you can get rid of them by voting - than to hold companies accountable.” I disagree because most of the public officials who would be accountable are appointed to these positions, not directly elected. The representatives we elect - mayor, house representative, senator, etc. - all have a good degree of distance from direct accountability. Plus, I feel like regular partisan politics and gerrymandering also make accountability much harder to achieve.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
  Those are solvable problems if we care to fix them. In what way can we fix corporate decision making when we have no say in how they operate except through the same government you're already saying we can't hold accountable?
  - danaris 4y ago
    Ah, you see, it's easy—you just have to have a few hundred million dollars, so you can buy a bunch of shares in the company. Then they might actually listen to you. /s