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Makes me think of the frequent redditism "you do NOT want to find out why Americans don't have healthcare."

TeMPOraL 4y ago
In this case, the old saw applies: do not look into the laser beam with your remaining eye.
ajiionadiofgnio 4y ago
That's not really true, though. In the U.S., public spending on health is comparable to private spending. Currently, the public/private split is very nearly equal. https://www.cms.gov/newsroom/press-releases/national-health-spending-grew-slightly-2021 https://www.cms.gov/newsroom/press-releases/national-health-... The U.S. spends more money per capita on healthcare than any other country. It's not even close; only six countries spend over half what the U.S. does. This means the U.S. spends more public funds than socialized systems like those in France, the U.K., or Canada. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.CHEX.PC.CD?most_recent_value_desc=true https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.CHEX.PC.CD?most_... For all its callousness, the American system doesn't save the taxpayer a dime. There is no tradeoff being made here. It's just plain corruption and stupidity.
- fragmede 4y ago
  The way I read it, The reason Americans don't have healthcare is because of all the money that gets spent on the Department of Defense. If that $800 billion were spent on healthcare does Americans, I imagine a lot of the callousness could be worked out.
  - corbulo 4y ago
    Far too many don't trust the us gov to run such a critical service and our defense budget already effectively subsidizes Europe's socialized healthcare.
    - janalsncm 4y ago
      If you don’t trust the government to run healthcare you definitely shouldn’t trust them to run the military.
      - corbulo 4y ago
        That's intensely reductionist. Also, the military's healthcare is some of the worst in the country. They couldn't even be sued for malpractice until 2021. Some systems have worked historically under gov control, and others have not.
        ceejayoz 4y ago
        That doesn’t appear to be true. The FTCA dates back to 1946, and cases like https://www.levinperconti.com/press-releases/6-2-million-verdict-in-medical-malpractice-case-against-va/ https://www.levinperconti.com/press-releases/6-2-million-ver... predating 2021 aren’t hard to find.
        corbulo 4y ago
        This took literally 2 seconds to find https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/06/16/troops-can-finally-file-medical-malpractice-claims-against-military-heres-how.html https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/06/16/troops-can-fi... VA healthcare is usually once you're not in the service anymore. VA healthcare is also another shining example of how bad gov is at medicine.
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      - ragebol 4y ago
        They don't trust them with a military either, hence the 2nd amendment and there being guns everywhere.
    - simonh 4y ago
  - bee_rider 4y ago
    That’s what the meme is saying, but the comment is pointing out that we spend more public money than, say, Canada on healthcare. If we could implement the Canadian system, maybe we could afford more lazers.
    - Tangurena2 4y ago
      One political party keeps passing laws making it illegal for Medicare/Medicaid to bargain for drug prices. So the price that taxpayers pay is far higher than it needs to be. Every other country negotiates drug prices.
    - TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
      Canada has a tenth of the population of the US.
      - bee_rider 4y ago
        The stats they linked are per-capita.
  - creato 4y ago
    Yes, that's the way its intended to be read, the problem is it's really not true. $800 billion sounds like a lot, but the federal government already spends 2x that on Medicare and Medicaid, and there is a lot more healthcare spending beyond that at various levels of government and private parties.
  - ConcernedCoder 4y ago
    The real reason we don't have (socialized healthcare) which is the insinuation, is because of bribery (better known as lobbying), and predictibly, the top lobby sector is Health: https://www.opensecrets.org/federal-lobbying/ranked-sectors https://www.opensecrets.org/federal-lobbying/ranked-sectors
- bratwurst3000 4y ago
  And your medical system is expensive. In germany the visit to a doctor is around 25€ for a semester. Yes 25€ and you get as much regular doctor as you want in half a year. Even a full ct costs 1000€ Medicin is also very cheap because of generica and the state is making deals with supplyers This and corruption is your problem. Edit:// it is crazy how americans are spending way more than most other countries on social things and get way less for the money only to keep this fuck up form of 19th century capitalism alive. You would be the richest people on earth if you had a good and efficient social system
hjkl0 4y ago
Wishful thinking at best, more likely deliberate deception.

In this case, the old saw applies: do not look into the laser beam with your remaining eye.

That's not really true, though. In the U.S., public spending on health is comparable to private spending. Currently, the public/private split is very nearly equal. https://www.cms.gov/newsroom/press-releases/national-health-spending-grew-slightly-2021 https://www.cms.gov/newsroom/press-releases/national-health-... The U.S. spends more money per capita on healthcare than any other country. It's not even close; only six countries spend over half what the U.S. does. This means the U.S. spends more public funds than socialized systems like those in France, the U.K., or Canada. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.CHEX.PC.CD?most_recent_value_desc=true https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.CHEX.PC.CD?most_... For all its callousness, the American system doesn't save the taxpayer a dime. There is no tradeoff being made here. It's just plain corruption and stupidity.

fragmede 4y ago
The way I read it, The reason Americans don't have healthcare is because of all the money that gets spent on the Department of Defense. If that $800 billion were spent on healthcare does Americans, I imagine a lot of the callousness could be worked out.
- corbulo 4y ago
  Far too many don't trust the us gov to run such a critical service and our defense budget already effectively subsidizes Europe's socialized healthcare.
  - janalsncm 4y ago
    If you don’t trust the government to run healthcare you definitely shouldn’t trust them to run the military.
    - corbulo 4y ago
      That's intensely reductionist. Also, the military's healthcare is some of the worst in the country. They couldn't even be sued for malpractice until 2021. Some systems have worked historically under gov control, and others have not.
      - ceejayoz 4y ago
        That doesn’t appear to be true. The FTCA dates back to 1946, and cases like https://www.levinperconti.com/press-releases/6-2-million-verdict-in-medical-malpractice-case-against-va/ https://www.levinperconti.com/press-releases/6-2-million-ver... predating 2021 aren’t hard to find.
        corbulo 4y ago
        This took literally 2 seconds to find https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/06/16/troops-can-finally-file-medical-malpractice-claims-against-military-heres-how.html https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/06/16/troops-can-fi... VA healthcare is usually once you're not in the service anymore. VA healthcare is also another shining example of how bad gov is at medicine.
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    - ragebol 4y ago
      They don't trust them with a military either, hence the 2nd amendment and there being guns everywhere.
  - simonh 4y ago
- bee_rider 4y ago
  That’s what the meme is saying, but the comment is pointing out that we spend more public money than, say, Canada on healthcare. If we could implement the Canadian system, maybe we could afford more lazers.
  - Tangurena2 4y ago
    One political party keeps passing laws making it illegal for Medicare/Medicaid to bargain for drug prices. So the price that taxpayers pay is far higher than it needs to be. Every other country negotiates drug prices.
  - TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
    Canada has a tenth of the population of the US.
    - bee_rider 4y ago
      The stats they linked are per-capita.
- creato 4y ago
  Yes, that's the way its intended to be read, the problem is it's really not true. $800 billion sounds like a lot, but the federal government already spends 2x that on Medicare and Medicaid, and there is a lot more healthcare spending beyond that at various levels of government and private parties.
- ConcernedCoder 4y ago
  The real reason we don't have (socialized healthcare) which is the insinuation, is because of bribery (better known as lobbying), and predictibly, the top lobby sector is Health: https://www.opensecrets.org/federal-lobbying/ranked-sectors https://www.opensecrets.org/federal-lobbying/ranked-sectors
bratwurst3000 4y ago
And your medical system is expensive. In germany the visit to a doctor is around 25€ for a semester. Yes 25€ and you get as much regular doctor as you want in half a year. Even a full ct costs 1000€ Medicin is also very cheap because of generica and the state is making deals with supplyers This and corruption is your problem. Edit:// it is crazy how americans are spending way more than most other countries on social things and get way less for the money only to keep this fuck up form of 19th century capitalism alive. You would be the richest people on earth if you had a good and efficient social system

hjkl0 4y ago

Wishful thinking at best, more likely deliberate deception.