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And try to compete with Starship? US can always launch more and for these LEO constellations it's all about numbers.

moose_man 4y ago
They have their own space station dude. They also have tons of satellites, including LEO satellites. China is not some poor country.
- throw_nbvc1234 4y ago
  If you don't have a large enough LEO constellation you will have sporadic and predictable coverage. This is especially true if you want global coverage to monitor a military like the USA with a global presence.
  - htag 4y ago
    1. Wouldn't these balloons provide even more sporadic coverage? They seem to be detectable. 2. These gaps would be measured in minutes, and are zero when you considered the combined coverage of all none-nato countries. Anything that we don't want seen is done under cover.
    - throw_nbvc1234 4y ago
      2. If you can scramble a jet within mins, that may be all you need. If you consider that LEO internet projects like SpaceX and Kuiper are targeting 5-10k sats to cover the earth i don't think it's a given that "all non-nato countries" have enough to provide constant coverage, especially if you go back 5-10 years. That probably won't be true in another 5-10 years. 1. Some reports say that they've only been detected recently; referencing multiple undetected occurrences during the Trump presidency; o they've been working for X years already. If they're undetected, they can view into gaps referenced above. If this program has been going on for 5-10 years undetected then it still could have been of value to China/Russia/Whoever owns them.
- PeterisP 4y ago
  Starlink is in a completely different class of "tons of satellites" as other platforms simply due to the SpaceX launch vehicles. China has a total of 600-ish satellites together for all purposes. Starlink has 3500-ish right now, and the already licensed plans are for 12000 by 2026. When(if!) Starship starts launching satellites, a single launch can put in orbit more military satellites than China has ever launched, and it does not seem have a comparable capability in the near future.
  - dismalpedigree 4y ago
    I predict a Chinese version of Starship within 18 months of a successful launch. The Chinese industrial espionage machine is unmatched.
    - golol 4y ago
      You underestimate how incredibly difficult the work that SpaceX is doing is. No spaceflight oraganization in the world is close to having the capabilities that SpaceX has right now (Falcon 9, Falcon Heavy). Meanwhile Starship is almost ready.
      - porbelm 4y ago
        That's why you do industrial espionage though; take advantage of all the R&D done by someone else, so most of the pitfalls are overcome and a lot of the testing is done. Like knowing what kinds of alloys turned out not to work and why, etc. So you don't have to repeat all that.
        georgeg23 4y ago
        Honestly this espionage thing is overrated. Plenty of employees in the US take their knowledge to (domestic) competitors and find it quite hard to just clone a business. The Russians and US were stealing each other's plans during the space race but this often led to misunderstood and suboptimal designs. See Buran https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Buran_(spacecraft) https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Buran_(spacecraft)
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Mountain_Skies 4y ago
The simple was to counter this is through polluting that space with debris. Sure, it clears out in a couple of years, but then you can just put up more of it. Getting into a arms race in orbit is a bad idea for everyone.

They have their own space station dude. They also have tons of satellites, including LEO satellites. China is not some poor country.

throw_nbvc1234 4y ago
If you don't have a large enough LEO constellation you will have sporadic and predictable coverage. This is especially true if you want global coverage to monitor a military like the USA with a global presence.
- htag 4y ago
  1. Wouldn't these balloons provide even more sporadic coverage? They seem to be detectable. 2. These gaps would be measured in minutes, and are zero when you considered the combined coverage of all none-nato countries. Anything that we don't want seen is done under cover.
  - throw_nbvc1234 4y ago
    2. If you can scramble a jet within mins, that may be all you need. If you consider that LEO internet projects like SpaceX and Kuiper are targeting 5-10k sats to cover the earth i don't think it's a given that "all non-nato countries" have enough to provide constant coverage, especially if you go back 5-10 years. That probably won't be true in another 5-10 years. 1. Some reports say that they've only been detected recently; referencing multiple undetected occurrences during the Trump presidency; o they've been working for X years already. If they're undetected, they can view into gaps referenced above. If this program has been going on for 5-10 years undetected then it still could have been of value to China/Russia/Whoever owns them.
PeterisP 4y ago
Starlink is in a completely different class of "tons of satellites" as other platforms simply due to the SpaceX launch vehicles. China has a total of 600-ish satellites together for all purposes. Starlink has 3500-ish right now, and the already licensed plans are for 12000 by 2026. When(if!) Starship starts launching satellites, a single launch can put in orbit more military satellites than China has ever launched, and it does not seem have a comparable capability in the near future.
- dismalpedigree 4y ago
  I predict a Chinese version of Starship within 18 months of a successful launch. The Chinese industrial espionage machine is unmatched.
  - golol 4y ago
    You underestimate how incredibly difficult the work that SpaceX is doing is. No spaceflight oraganization in the world is close to having the capabilities that SpaceX has right now (Falcon 9, Falcon Heavy). Meanwhile Starship is almost ready.
    - porbelm 4y ago
      That's why you do industrial espionage though; take advantage of all the R&D done by someone else, so most of the pitfalls are overcome and a lot of the testing is done. Like knowing what kinds of alloys turned out not to work and why, etc. So you don't have to repeat all that.
      - georgeg23 4y ago
        Honestly this espionage thing is overrated. Plenty of employees in the US take their knowledge to (domestic) competitors and find it quite hard to just clone a business. The Russians and US were stealing each other's plans during the space race but this often led to misunderstood and suboptimal designs. See Buran https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Buran_(spacecraft) https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Buran_(spacecraft)

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Mountain_Skies 4y ago

The simple was to counter this is through polluting that space with debris. Sure, it clears out in a couple of years, but then you can just put up more of it. Getting into a arms race in orbit is a bad idea for everyone.