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Well, two were over remote parts of Alaska. And this one just happened like an hour ago, so maybe pics will come out from people on the ground. In any case, the

Well, two were over remote parts of Alaska. And this one just happened like an hour ago, so maybe pics will come out from people on the ground. In any case, the best pics from the first one over Montana were shot with telephoto lenses, so it’s not like anybody with a phone can snap a close up shot

busyant 4y ago
also... may be currently difficult to find them in northern alska / canada. not much daylight.
phpisthebest 4y ago
The military has released radar, IR and other sensor data from other UFO's before. Why not release them for these things?
- bhhaskin 4y ago
  Because operational security. Why give adversaries info about your capabilities.
  - phpisthebest 4y ago
    Pretty sure everyone knows they can take IR photos from the Plane... That is not really a secret. Plus I reject the idea of secrecy from the citizens, government can not be "for the people by the people" if they keep secrets from the people
    - sangnoir 4y ago
      The resolution is secret - and that matters a lot. Why do citizens need to know detailed specs of IR optics systems installed on fighter jets? I can come up with reasons why this information should be kept out of adversaries hands: and handing this info out to citizens makes the latter impossible
      - phpisthebest 4y ago
        >>and that matters a lot. Does it? and even if it does do they need to release the full resolution... you seem to be creating strawmen just to justify the government doing thing in secret, seems like an odd position. And quit with the "adversaries" scare mongering, it will get you no where with me other then enteral cringe and eye rolling. This "but the other baddies might do something" has been the straw man to justify all manner of immoral actions by the US government over the decades that I have no sympathy for that argument at all >>Why do citizens need to know detailed specs of IR optics systems installed on fighter jets? because we paid for it, because we own it, because we can not accurately hold elected government to account for their actions if we do not know what they actions really are. We have no idea what they are shooting down. Maybe it some private plane of of political enemy, maybe is a Alien Drone, maybe is some weather balloon, maybe is a Chinese Spy Drone...... We only have their word... and their word means nothing to me This is the same reason all cops should be required to wear body cams and make the video public
        mensetmanusman 4y ago
        Run for election to propose this. Many people disagree with absolute real time openness because it puts one at a disadvantage when adversaries are not.
        phpisthebest 4y ago
        This is about like saying Linux is at a disadvantage to Windows because it is open source It is non-sense
        mensetmanusman 4y ago
        Or it might be like live streaming while you are in a league of legends or paintball tournament while your opponents are watching in real time.
        sangnoir 4y ago
        > This is the same reason all cops should be required to wear body cams and make the video public At the same time, we[1] don't demand that detectives publish notes from ongoing investigations, yet we pay for that too. Not acknowledging the reality of adversarial circumstances is shortsighted. 1. Perhaps I'm being presumptuous and you think investigations should be fully transparent in realtime.
    - mensetmanusman 4y ago
      It’s amazing what you can learn about capabilities from a picture. Apparently German scientists during ww2 used the diameter of the Hiroshima explosion from the newspapers to calculate the mass of uranium involved.
      - morpheos137 4y ago
        Hiroshima happened after Germany surrendered so I am curious what you mean. Certainly not nazi scientists.
        perihelions 4y ago
        Probably in this context, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Epsilon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Epsilon
      - IAmGraydon 4y ago
        You can’t tell the mass of the uranium from the size of the explosion unless you already know exact details of the bomb design (in which case you would already know the mass of the uranium).

busyant 4y ago

also... may be currently difficult to find them in northern alska / canada. not much daylight.

phpisthebest 4y ago

The military has released radar, IR and other sensor data from other UFO's before. Why not release them for these things?

bhhaskin 4y ago
Because operational security. Why give adversaries info about your capabilities.
- phpisthebest 4y ago
  Pretty sure everyone knows they can take IR photos from the Plane... That is not really a secret. Plus I reject the idea of secrecy from the citizens, government can not be "for the people by the people" if they keep secrets from the people
  - sangnoir 4y ago
    The resolution is secret - and that matters a lot. Why do citizens need to know detailed specs of IR optics systems installed on fighter jets? I can come up with reasons why this information should be kept out of adversaries hands: and handing this info out to citizens makes the latter impossible
    - phpisthebest 4y ago
      >>and that matters a lot. Does it? and even if it does do they need to release the full resolution... you seem to be creating strawmen just to justify the government doing thing in secret, seems like an odd position. And quit with the "adversaries" scare mongering, it will get you no where with me other then enteral cringe and eye rolling. This "but the other baddies might do something" has been the straw man to justify all manner of immoral actions by the US government over the decades that I have no sympathy for that argument at all >>Why do citizens need to know detailed specs of IR optics systems installed on fighter jets? because we paid for it, because we own it, because we can not accurately hold elected government to account for their actions if we do not know what they actions really are. We have no idea what they are shooting down. Maybe it some private plane of of political enemy, maybe is a Alien Drone, maybe is some weather balloon, maybe is a Chinese Spy Drone...... We only have their word... and their word means nothing to me This is the same reason all cops should be required to wear body cams and make the video public
      - mensetmanusman 4y ago
        Run for election to propose this. Many people disagree with absolute real time openness because it puts one at a disadvantage when adversaries are not.
        phpisthebest 4y ago
        This is about like saying Linux is at a disadvantage to Windows because it is open source It is non-sense
        mensetmanusman 4y ago
        Or it might be like live streaming while you are in a league of legends or paintball tournament while your opponents are watching in real time.
      - sangnoir 4y ago
        > This is the same reason all cops should be required to wear body cams and make the video public At the same time, we[1] don't demand that detectives publish notes from ongoing investigations, yet we pay for that too. Not acknowledging the reality of adversarial circumstances is shortsighted. 1. Perhaps I'm being presumptuous and you think investigations should be fully transparent in realtime.
  - mensetmanusman 4y ago
    It’s amazing what you can learn about capabilities from a picture. Apparently German scientists during ww2 used the diameter of the Hiroshima explosion from the newspapers to calculate the mass of uranium involved.
    - morpheos137 4y ago
      Hiroshima happened after Germany surrendered so I am curious what you mean. Certainly not nazi scientists.
      - perihelions 4y ago
        Probably in this context, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Epsilon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Epsilon
    - IAmGraydon 4y ago
      You can’t tell the mass of the uranium from the size of the explosion unless you already know exact details of the bomb design (in which case you would already know the mass of the uranium).