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First time seeing this one. Indeed, quite scary: > FlightRadar24 tracking data shows that, after taking off at 2am, the Qatar Boeing 787 started losing altitud

First time seeing this one. Indeed, quite scary: > FlightRadar24 tracking data shows that, after taking off at 2am, the Qatar Boeing 787 started losing altitude only a minute later, when the plane was at 1,850ft. > The aircraft then suddenly dropped 1,000ft in 24 seconds. https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/qatar-plummet-terrifying-descent-passenger-b2279625.html https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/qatar-p...

dilap 4y ago
That's wild, per the article the first officer was flying and simply got disoriented. Aircraft was recovered by the captain. That's the sort of thing you would expect to happen to a newly-minted private pilot in a cesna, not a commercial pilot in a fully-loaded 787!
- turrican 4y ago
  My own airline had an incident recently where one of our senior captains became so disoriented taking off at night over water that he thought every flight instrument onboard had become unreliable (VERY unlikely). He dove toward the ground but fortunately managed to land before a disaster occurred. His First Officer stated that she knew the problem wasn’t the flight instruments, but didn’t correct the captain adequately. You’re right, these experienced pilots should know better, but incidents do happen.
  - JumpinJack_Cash 4y ago
    What is inconceivable, even for layperson, is that when in doubt you should always gain altitude, not lose altitude.
    - huslage 4y ago
      If you don't know you're going down, you might think you are upside down and going up. Disorientation is a strange thing.
    - turrican 4y ago
      In addition to what huslage said, there’s something called an aerodynamic stall: in very oversimplified terms, if you go up too steeply without adequate thrust your wings will produce dramatically less lift all at once.
      - doctor_eval 4y ago
        Or even worse, and more likely, just one one side (wing drop). Then you're really doomed. Happened recently on an ATR I think. I did some flying with a hood - no ability to see outside but I could see instruments. It was uncanny, and I got totally disoriented. The only thing that saved me is that as a former sim jockey I was used to flying just on the instruments and I knew it was very unlikely that they went wrong just as I was flying blind. So I focussed on the instruments and ignored the feeling that the plane was literally flying on its side. It is very unsettling.

dilap 4y ago

That's wild, per the article the first officer was flying and simply got disoriented. Aircraft was recovered by the captain. That's the sort of thing you would expect to happen to a newly-minted private pilot in a cesna, not a commercial pilot in a fully-loaded 787!

turrican 4y ago
My own airline had an incident recently where one of our senior captains became so disoriented taking off at night over water that he thought every flight instrument onboard had become unreliable (VERY unlikely). He dove toward the ground but fortunately managed to land before a disaster occurred. His First Officer stated that she knew the problem wasn’t the flight instruments, but didn’t correct the captain adequately. You’re right, these experienced pilots should know better, but incidents do happen.
- JumpinJack_Cash 4y ago
  What is inconceivable, even for layperson, is that when in doubt you should always gain altitude, not lose altitude.
  - huslage 4y ago
    If you don't know you're going down, you might think you are upside down and going up. Disorientation is a strange thing.
  - turrican 4y ago
    In addition to what huslage said, there’s something called an aerodynamic stall: in very oversimplified terms, if you go up too steeply without adequate thrust your wings will produce dramatically less lift all at once.
    - doctor_eval 4y ago
      Or even worse, and more likely, just one one side (wing drop). Then you're really doomed. Happened recently on an ATR I think. I did some flying with a hood - no ability to see outside but I could see instruments. It was uncanny, and I got totally disoriented. The only thing that saved me is that as a former sim jockey I was used to flying just on the instruments and I knew it was very unlikely that they went wrong just as I was flying blind. So I focussed on the instruments and ignored the feeling that the plane was literally flying on its side. It is very unsettling.