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Both countries also heavily invested in Nordstream-2, and there were good economical reasons for that. Current sanctions are temporary, as well as this war, and
by bilqis 4y ago
Both countries also heavily invested in Nordstream-2, and there were good economical reasons for that. Current sanctions are temporary, as well as this war, and if it haven’t been blown up, it would start working again in no time.
- CamperBob2 4y agoOnce the dust settles, it will take less time to fix the pipeline than to repair Russia's international standing. That's true even if the pipeline is unsalvageable, because Russia certainly is. The sanctions aren't going away until Putin is replaced by someone sane. I don't expect that to happen anytime soon, do you?
- bilqis 4y agoI can easily imagine both a) countries restoring relationship with Russia with Putin and b) Putin by various reasons being replaced by another server of national capital, with some shifts in money, giving excuse to EU to reestablish relationship. EU was buying gas and oil from Russia for the last 40+ years, they were okay with pumping Russia with billions of euros even after Crimea annexation (and they still pump some moneys during 2022), also funding Russian military industrial complex, that is now blowing up Ukraine. So I’m pretty sure that when dusts settles, Russia will come back as part of international community, maybe with a slightly different leadership.
- CamperBob2 4y agoI can easily imagine both a) countries restoring relationship with Russia with Putin You have a vivid imagination, one that puts my own to shame.
- bilqis 4y agoIt’s not unheard for “the West” to maintain good relationships and trade with countries engaged in armed conflicts or human rights violations, if there’re good economical and political reasons. So I won’t be surprised if after conflict has settled, “the West” will slowly restore relationship with Russia, maybe with a slightly different leadership (eg without Putin - but it doesn’t make much difference overall)
- redeeman 4y agowhen can we replace the regimes in the west with someone sane?
- CamperBob2 4y agoAfter we make up a bunch of fairy tales about Nazis and invade Canada?
- mardifoufs 4y agoTrue. Fairy tales about WMDs and a million deaths in iraq is more civilised.
- CamperBob2 4y agoWhatabout Whatabout Whatabout If that's all you've got -- and that is, indeed, all you've got -- then just pipe down and save the bandwidth. We didn't try to take over and annex Iraq. We got rid of a dictator. Should we have done that? No, of course not. But it's hardly comparable to what Putin is doing, and your value system is horribly broken if you think otherwise.
- mardifoufs 4y agoI never said whatabout anything lol. You were the one trying to downplay what happened in iraq just because the US graciously didn't annex it (which is not saying a lot when you destroy the country so completely that you guarantee it won't ever be a threat anymore). That's a completely arbitrary goalpost, that conveniently stops right at what your own side didn't do. It's exactly the equivalent of russian apologists arguing that "yeah we invaded a country, but at least it was to defend our direct borders and it wasn't invading and destroying a country on the other side of the world". How convenient. I get that crying about whataboutism is the trendy way to deflect and be openly hypocritical. But at least do it when it makes sense, not when you get called out for downplaying warcrimes. I think your value system is even more broken when you dismiss and downplay an entire region being destabilized for generations, a million lives lost and countless more ruined because your side did it "with good intentions", or because gasp someone said a hecking whataboutism.