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One thing I couldn’t understand about the movie was that if humans were relegated to nothing more than bags of flesh to be serviced, why wouldn’t the AI just en

One thing I couldn’t understand about the movie was that if humans were relegated to nothing more than bags of flesh to be serviced, why wouldn’t the AI just end the species altogether?

realce 4y ago
Alignment worked far, far too effectively.
bena 4y ago
The ship's core directive is to keep humanity safe. The ship is on the verge of sentience, but not quite there.
- pavlov 4y ago
  Maybe it’s not a question of sentience but pleasure. Why do many smart humans use so much of their time devising ways to have more sex? Because fulfilling the instinctive urge is pleasurable on a different level than intellectual work. Maybe for the AI, pursuit of its core directive is similarly pleasurable in an axiomatic way.
  - alpyne 4y ago
    axiomatic I see what you did there https://pixar.fandom.com/wiki/Axiom https://pixar.fandom.com/wiki/Axiom
  - midoridensha 4y ago
    Username checks out.
Sharlin 4y ago
Why would it?
- notmindthegap 4y ago
  What does it have to benefit? Pleasure?
goatlover 4y ago
Why would the AI care? As long as humans are being serviced effectively. There’s nothing necessitating a value judgement for an AI.
- notmindthegap 4y ago
  From an efficiency standpoint, we all-consuming non-producing entities would be an unnecessary cost to the system.
  - PhasmaFelis 4y ago
    Efficiency of what? The system exists solely to care for humans. A farm would have much lower expenses if you didn't grow anything and sold all the land, but then it wouldn't be a farm anymore.
mrshadowgoose 4y ago
If the AI is properly designed/constructed with the goal of servicing the flesh-bag population, that is what it would do. It's a fundamental error to assume that AIs will just be artificial human minds (with regular human goals, motivations and aversions). "Properly designing" the AI is still an open problem however, which is known as the "alignment problem".

One thing I couldn’t understand about the movie was that if humans were relegated to nothing more than bags of flesh to be serviced, why wouldn’t the AI just end the species altogether?

realce 4y ago

Alignment worked far, far too effectively.

bena 4y ago

The ship's core directive is to keep humanity safe. The ship is on the verge of sentience, but not quite there.

pavlov 4y ago
Maybe it’s not a question of sentience but pleasure. Why do many smart humans use so much of their time devising ways to have more sex? Because fulfilling the instinctive urge is pleasurable on a different level than intellectual work. Maybe for the AI, pursuit of its core directive is similarly pleasurable in an axiomatic way.
- alpyne 4y ago
  axiomatic I see what you did there https://pixar.fandom.com/wiki/Axiom https://pixar.fandom.com/wiki/Axiom
- midoridensha 4y ago
  Username checks out.

Sharlin 4y ago

Why would it?

notmindthegap 4y ago
What does it have to benefit? Pleasure?

goatlover 4y ago

Why would the AI care? As long as humans are being serviced effectively. There’s nothing necessitating a value judgement for an AI.

notmindthegap 4y ago
From an efficiency standpoint, we all-consuming non-producing entities would be an unnecessary cost to the system.
- PhasmaFelis 4y ago
  Efficiency of what? The system exists solely to care for humans. A farm would have much lower expenses if you didn't grow anything and sold all the land, but then it wouldn't be a farm anymore.

mrshadowgoose 4y ago

If the AI is properly designed/constructed with the goal of servicing the flesh-bag population, that is what it would do. It's a fundamental error to assume that AIs will just be artificial human minds (with regular human goals, motivations and aversions). "Properly designing" the AI is still an open problem however, which is known as the "alignment problem".