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... because it gets them out of contractual obligations to deliver gas.
by karpierz 4y ago
... because it gets them out of contractual obligations to deliver gas.
- bigdict 4y agoBut… they want to sell gas.
- bandyaboot 4y agoRight up until they prefer to deliver retribution by withholding gas.
- bigdict 4y agoRight, but the weapon is not the cutting of the supply, it's the threat. The fear that comes with uncertainty. There is no uncertainty when the pipeline is damaged irreparably.
- bandyaboot 4y agoRussia had already been increasingly cutting gas supplies to Europe before the Nordstream pipeline was sabatoged. They weren’t just threatening.
- bigdict 4y agoIf that's true, why blow up your own infrastructure when you can just cut the supply?
- bandyaboot 4y agoFirst, there’s no “if”, it’s a fact that can be easily verified. Second, I don’t pretend to know for a fact it was Russia. One of several reasons that I think it’s most likely is that Russia is the country involved here where one man’s irrational decisions would turn into action with virtually no checks.
- ajsnigrutin 4y agoRussia can close the valves on their end, and germany cannot do anything, since the EU their contractual obligations and literally promising to steal russian assets. Destroying the pipelines doesn't benefit neither germany nor russia.
- bigdict 4y agoThe volume has certainly been going down for a while, I'm not sure who's responsible for that. Like I would actually need to research that part. Russia can stop the pump while Europe can suspend payments. Both actions have the same effect on volume sold.
- shagie 4y agoSeptember 29, 2022 - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60131520 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60131520 Russia has been reducing gas supplies through Nord Stream 1 for a number of months. In June, it cut deliveries through the pipeline by 75% - from 170m cubic metres of gas a day to roughly 40m cubic metres. In July, Russia shut it down for 10 days, citing the need for maintenance. When it reopened, the flow was halved to 20m cubic metres a day. In late August, it shut down Nord Stream 1 entirely, blaming problems with equipment. The pipeline has not been open since then.
- bigdict 4y agoLooks like you are right.
- redeeman 4y agoand isnt it somewhat reasonable that if we do not believe the maintenance explanation, that it MIGHT just be that they are doing it to force the germans to put the stamp on the final opening approval for nord stream 2? there is a reason nord stream 2 was created, even though nord stream 1 exists.
- mensetmanusman 4y agoPrevents potential assassins near Putin thinking they have an easy out.
- rstuart4133 4y agoFrom https://www.forbes.com/sites/arielcohen/2022/09/29/russian-sabotage-of-the-nord-stream-pipeline-mark-a-point-of-no-return/?sh=31aced4b5dba https://www.forbes.com/sites/arielcohen/2022/09/29/russian-s... : If Nord Stream is shut down suddenly through “force majeure,” a sudden uncontrollable stop that is the fault of neither party, then Russia can void its obligations toward European stakeholders without legally breaking contracts, thus dodging the many penalties in doing so.
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