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There's an irony to religious people saying, "It's about the journey, not the destination." Faith in God is literally an assertion about the destination (concl

There's an irony to religious people saying, "It's about the journey, not the destination." Faith in God is literally an assertion about the destination (conclusion), and not the journey (evidence). Anyway, this article has a short bit about solving tik-tak-toe with "ML-like methods", but not much else.

hgsgm 4y ago
This is a deeply ignorant comment.
- thomastjeffery 4y ago
  Ignorant of what? The pro-religious perspective? If I am required to take that perspective, am I required to be ignorant of the atheist/agnostic perspective? I call that requirement itself ignorance. So I'm ignorant of ignorance... Double negative.
  - saulpw 4y ago
    You're setting up a strawman. Knowledge of one perspective does not entail ignorance of another perspective. The more perspectives we can integrate, the more thoughtful we can express ourselves to others. (Since many of us have different perspectives.
lampshades 4y ago
Faith in God is an assertion about the journey as well. I can’t speak for everyone, but a lot of us believe that God works actively in our lives. Not to mention, the journey gets a lot better when you realize what’s at the end.
- rcme 4y ago
  What’s at the end?
  - lampshades 4y ago
    More journey.
    - JellyBeanThief 4y ago
      I dunno. If you offered to make my body un-aging, I'd much rather take what will certainly be a longer journey than what I have to just hope for. Why go through contortions to accept death as the opposite of what it clearly looks like when it's so much more straightforward to just reject death and go do the engineering to conquer it?
- thomastjeffery 4y ago
  That's still an assertion about the conclusion affecting the journey, meaning it's still from the conclusion! Every argument for God is circular. Without assertion for the conclusion, there is no assertion, and therefore no argument. I'm not telling you whether or not that conclusion is correct. I'm talking about the reasoning itself. If you choose to believe that God is affecting your life, then you are still applying circular logic. You are applying faith in God (an assertion of the conclusion) to your perception of life. It's no more than a semantic obfuscation: Putting it your way phrases it semantically as, "God is, in effect of my experience." Putting it in formal language, we can say equivalently, "Given God is, my experience is affected thusly." What I have done is no different from factoring out a variable or scalar in a mathematical equation. "God = 1". The effect of identity to your life experience is "God * life_experience = life_experience". If God were anything other than the unit multiplied, then the effects of God would be trivially provable, and we would therefore know the nature of God by evidence, and it wouldn't be God anymore.
  - za3faran 4y ago
    > Every argument for God is circular Without starting a religious debate here, that's not the case. Feel free to email me (email in profile) if you wish.
- hgsgm 4y ago
  "the end" sounds like a destination.
- elforce002 4y ago
  AMEN.

hgsgm 4y ago

This is a deeply ignorant comment.

thomastjeffery 4y ago
Ignorant of what? The pro-religious perspective? If I am required to take that perspective, am I required to be ignorant of the atheist/agnostic perspective? I call that requirement itself ignorance. So I'm ignorant of ignorance... Double negative.
- saulpw 4y ago
  You're setting up a strawman. Knowledge of one perspective does not entail ignorance of another perspective. The more perspectives we can integrate, the more thoughtful we can express ourselves to others. (Since many of us have different perspectives.

lampshades 4y ago

Faith in God is an assertion about the journey as well. I can’t speak for everyone, but a lot of us believe that God works actively in our lives. Not to mention, the journey gets a lot better when you realize what’s at the end.

rcme 4y ago
What’s at the end?
- lampshades 4y ago
  More journey.
  - JellyBeanThief 4y ago
    I dunno. If you offered to make my body un-aging, I'd much rather take what will certainly be a longer journey than what I have to just hope for. Why go through contortions to accept death as the opposite of what it clearly looks like when it's so much more straightforward to just reject death and go do the engineering to conquer it?
thomastjeffery 4y ago
That's still an assertion about the conclusion affecting the journey, meaning it's still from the conclusion! Every argument for God is circular. Without assertion for the conclusion, there is no assertion, and therefore no argument. I'm not telling you whether or not that conclusion is correct. I'm talking about the reasoning itself. If you choose to believe that God is affecting your life, then you are still applying circular logic. You are applying faith in God (an assertion of the conclusion) to your perception of life. It's no more than a semantic obfuscation: Putting it your way phrases it semantically as, "God is, in effect of my experience." Putting it in formal language, we can say equivalently, "Given God is, my experience is affected thusly." What I have done is no different from factoring out a variable or scalar in a mathematical equation. "God = 1". The effect of identity to your life experience is "God * life_experience = life_experience". If God were anything other than the unit multiplied, then the effects of God would be trivially provable, and we would therefore know the nature of God by evidence, and it wouldn't be God anymore.
- za3faran 4y ago
  > Every argument for God is circular Without starting a religious debate here, that's not the case. Feel free to email me (email in profile) if you wish.
hgsgm 4y ago
"the end" sounds like a destination.
elforce002 4y ago
AMEN.