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That is not a good take. There are many moral and political concerns with five eyes, but casting all international cooperation as “treason” discredits your posi

That is not a good take. There are many moral and political concerns with five eyes, but casting all international cooperation as “treason” discredits your position.

taftster 4y ago
Hyperbole runs rampant like the roadrunner on winding roads of the internet these days.
akira2501 4y ago
Casting spying as the only means of international cooperation is disingenuous.
- brookst 4y ago
  Huh? The post I replied to said that agencies working with international counterparts is necessarily treason. Where in the world did you get that strange claim about what I said?
  - newZWhoDis 4y ago
    GCHQ is not a “counterpart” to NSA, it’s a hostile foreign agency that actively works to undermine the security and privacy of Americans. Their employee should be sanctioned, and anyone on the gov payroll working with them should be treated just as if they worked with any other hostile group. Mossad and FSB are functionally identical, even if one is from a supposedly “allied” state, the agency themselves still works against American civilians.
    - brookst 4y ago
      TIL the U.K. and USA have literally no common interests. It’s a very naive worldview that says you never work with someone whose interests are not perfectly aligned with your own.
saiya-jin 4y ago
Spying cases that come to light despite 3-letter agencies fighting it tooth and nail unfortunately mostly end up in this category when judged from common folks and moral perspective. Most US folks here on HN have some moral qualms with that, now imagine how rest of the world sees this, and how it makes us feel (our lives and rights are inferior to US citizens, a great way to build long term relationship as an example)
newZWhoDis 4y ago
Allowing hostile foreign actors to spy on your civilians is not “international cooperation” any more than running drugs with the Mexican government would be. It’s fundamentally a betrayal of your country. The “bad take” is that these people are allowed to walk free because it’s just “cooperation”. Absurd.

That is not a good take. There are many moral and political concerns with five eyes, but casting all international cooperation as “treason” discredits your position.

taftster 4y ago

Hyperbole runs rampant like the roadrunner on winding roads of the internet these days.

akira2501 4y ago

Casting spying as the only means of international cooperation is disingenuous.

brookst 4y ago
Huh? The post I replied to said that agencies working with international counterparts is necessarily treason. Where in the world did you get that strange claim about what I said?
- newZWhoDis 4y ago
  GCHQ is not a “counterpart” to NSA, it’s a hostile foreign agency that actively works to undermine the security and privacy of Americans. Their employee should be sanctioned, and anyone on the gov payroll working with them should be treated just as if they worked with any other hostile group. Mossad and FSB are functionally identical, even if one is from a supposedly “allied” state, the agency themselves still works against American civilians.
  - brookst 4y ago
    TIL the U.K. and USA have literally no common interests. It’s a very naive worldview that says you never work with someone whose interests are not perfectly aligned with your own.

saiya-jin 4y ago

Spying cases that come to light despite 3-letter agencies fighting it tooth and nail unfortunately mostly end up in this category when judged from common folks and moral perspective. Most US folks here on HN have some moral qualms with that, now imagine how rest of the world sees this, and how it makes us feel (our lives and rights are inferior to US citizens, a great way to build long term relationship as an example)

newZWhoDis 4y ago

Allowing hostile foreign actors to spy on your civilians is not “international cooperation” any more than running drugs with the Mexican government would be. It’s fundamentally a betrayal of your country. The “bad take” is that these people are allowed to walk free because it’s just “cooperation”. Absurd.