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even if this gets fixed they can still use 5 eyes to get around it, US and friends use loopholes to have each other spy on their citizens to get around their ow

even if this gets fixed they can still use 5 eyes to get around it, US and friends use loopholes to have each other spy on their citizens to get around their own laws protecting citizens. It adds an extra step but they still get the info they want

newZWhoDis 4y ago
5 eyes as a concept is essentially institutionalized treason. There’s no such thing as a friendly foreign intelligence service, their goals are directly against the interest of the American public/civilian world (which in theory our intelligence services work for) A CIA officer conspiring with GCHQ to defraud the United States should result in lifetime imprisonment.
- brookst 4y ago
  That is not a good take. There are many moral and political concerns with five eyes, but casting all international cooperation as “treason” discredits your position.
  - taftster 4y ago
    Hyperbole runs rampant like the roadrunner on winding roads of the internet these days.
  - akira2501 4y ago
    Casting spying as the only means of international cooperation is disingenuous.
    - brookst 4y ago
      Huh? The post I replied to said that agencies working with international counterparts is necessarily treason. Where in the world did you get that strange claim about what I said?
      - newZWhoDis 4y ago
        GCHQ is not a “counterpart” to NSA, it’s a hostile foreign agency that actively works to undermine the security and privacy of Americans. Their employee should be sanctioned, and anyone on the gov payroll working with them should be treated just as if they worked with any other hostile group. Mossad and FSB are functionally identical, even if one is from a supposedly “allied” state, the agency themselves still works against American civilians.
        brookst 4y ago
        TIL the U.K. and USA have literally no common interests. It’s a very naive worldview that says you never work with someone whose interests are not perfectly aligned with your own.
  - saiya-jin 4y ago
    Spying cases that come to light despite 3-letter agencies fighting it tooth and nail unfortunately mostly end up in this category when judged from common folks and moral perspective. Most US folks here on HN have some moral qualms with that, now imagine how rest of the world sees this, and how it makes us feel (our lives and rights are inferior to US citizens, a great way to build long term relationship as an example)
  - newZWhoDis 4y ago
    Allowing hostile foreign actors to spy on your civilians is not “international cooperation” any more than running drugs with the Mexican government would be. It’s fundamentally a betrayal of your country. The “bad take” is that these people are allowed to walk free because it’s just “cooperation”. Absurd.
halJordan 4y ago
Reverse targeting is even more explicitly illegal than what's in this article. It's like you guys read the editorial of a wikikeaks article in 2012 and then never checked back in.

newZWhoDis 4y ago

5 eyes as a concept is essentially institutionalized treason. There’s no such thing as a friendly foreign intelligence service, their goals are directly against the interest of the American public/civilian world (which in theory our intelligence services work for) A CIA officer conspiring with GCHQ to defraud the United States should result in lifetime imprisonment.

brookst 4y ago
That is not a good take. There are many moral and political concerns with five eyes, but casting all international cooperation as “treason” discredits your position.
- taftster 4y ago
  Hyperbole runs rampant like the roadrunner on winding roads of the internet these days.
- akira2501 4y ago
  Casting spying as the only means of international cooperation is disingenuous.
  - brookst 4y ago
    Huh? The post I replied to said that agencies working with international counterparts is necessarily treason. Where in the world did you get that strange claim about what I said?
    - newZWhoDis 4y ago
      GCHQ is not a “counterpart” to NSA, it’s a hostile foreign agency that actively works to undermine the security and privacy of Americans. Their employee should be sanctioned, and anyone on the gov payroll working with them should be treated just as if they worked with any other hostile group. Mossad and FSB are functionally identical, even if one is from a supposedly “allied” state, the agency themselves still works against American civilians.
      - brookst 4y ago
        TIL the U.K. and USA have literally no common interests. It’s a very naive worldview that says you never work with someone whose interests are not perfectly aligned with your own.
- saiya-jin 4y ago
  Spying cases that come to light despite 3-letter agencies fighting it tooth and nail unfortunately mostly end up in this category when judged from common folks and moral perspective. Most US folks here on HN have some moral qualms with that, now imagine how rest of the world sees this, and how it makes us feel (our lives and rights are inferior to US citizens, a great way to build long term relationship as an example)
- newZWhoDis 4y ago
  Allowing hostile foreign actors to spy on your civilians is not “international cooperation” any more than running drugs with the Mexican government would be. It’s fundamentally a betrayal of your country. The “bad take” is that these people are allowed to walk free because it’s just “cooperation”. Absurd.

halJordan 4y ago

Reverse targeting is even more explicitly illegal than what's in this article. It's like you guys read the editorial of a wikikeaks article in 2012 and then never checked back in.