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Roscosmos sabotaging its own cosmonauts? I'd also be more deliberate with throwing around sound bites like "usual Russian incompetence". While I agree with ther

Roscosmos sabotaging its own cosmonauts? I'd also be more deliberate with throwing around sound bites like "usual Russian incompetence". While I agree with there is a lot of cultural and political incompetence in Russia (and elsewhere) some incredibly advanced science and engineering has come fro Russia.

fastball 4y ago
Didn't most of the advanced science and engineering come from the USSR?
- seanstev 4y ago
  USSR =! Russia. Majority of main advances came from the satellites, such as Ukrainians (Glushko, Korolev, chelomei, etc.).
  - m4rtink 4y ago
    Not to mention some of the early tech having German origin (same in the West).
    - hunter-gatherer 4y ago
      I wasn't referring to the USSR. Had I wanted to refer to the USSR, I would have typed "USSR". My point is that the West doesn't have a monopoly on great ideas and innovation. The existing Russian (and others) state is not a conglomerate of incompetence, and has plenty of advanced engineering feats under her belt. I am suggesting it is not just disingenuous, but unwise to be so dismissive of Russian capabilities, especially when the geopolitical atmospher is the way it is right now.
  - bilqis 4y ago
    Majority of main advances came from cooperation and how education, science and engineering was organised and funded. So all achievements are Soviet achievements, not Russian/Ukrainian/Georgian/etc, saying otherwise has been a common political tool of nationalist in all post-ussr countries.
  - fastball 4y ago
    Yes this is the point I was making. Although, I wouldn't try to say "this was a Ukrainian achievement" – I still think you should lump most of them together as "Soviet" achievements. But calling them Russian seems just as misguided as calling them Ukrainian.
- 0xDEF 4y ago
  A lot of that depended on contributions from the Baltic countries, Ukraine, and minorities within Russia like the Russian Jews and Germans. Many of the latter have been leaving Russia in droves since the 1980s.
  - wheelerof4te 4y ago
    I understand the need to paint Russia like a country run by corrupt and incompetent people, in light of the current geopolitical events. But, in doing so, at least try to be believable.
  - ghostwriter 4y ago
    It's remarkable how post-soviet states are quickly forgetting that many of them (Baltics, Georgia, and Ukraine in particular) built the majority of their currently existing heavy industries and civilian infrastructure due to their placement in the highest supply category (out of three other less fortunate categories [1]) under USSR's planned economy. For years the the entire union had been allocating its resources and the best work labour to these regions, in strong accordance to the priorities defined by Politburo. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/s8jy8l/each_settlement_in_the_ussr_was_assigned_to_one/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/s8jy8l/each_settle...

fastball 4y ago

Didn't most of the advanced science and engineering come from the USSR?

seanstev 4y ago
USSR =! Russia. Majority of main advances came from the satellites, such as Ukrainians (Glushko, Korolev, chelomei, etc.).
- m4rtink 4y ago
  Not to mention some of the early tech having German origin (same in the West).
  - hunter-gatherer 4y ago
    I wasn't referring to the USSR. Had I wanted to refer to the USSR, I would have typed "USSR". My point is that the West doesn't have a monopoly on great ideas and innovation. The existing Russian (and others) state is not a conglomerate of incompetence, and has plenty of advanced engineering feats under her belt. I am suggesting it is not just disingenuous, but unwise to be so dismissive of Russian capabilities, especially when the geopolitical atmospher is the way it is right now.
- bilqis 4y ago
  Majority of main advances came from cooperation and how education, science and engineering was organised and funded. So all achievements are Soviet achievements, not Russian/Ukrainian/Georgian/etc, saying otherwise has been a common political tool of nationalist in all post-ussr countries.
- fastball 4y ago
  Yes this is the point I was making. Although, I wouldn't try to say "this was a Ukrainian achievement" – I still think you should lump most of them together as "Soviet" achievements. But calling them Russian seems just as misguided as calling them Ukrainian.
0xDEF 4y ago
A lot of that depended on contributions from the Baltic countries, Ukraine, and minorities within Russia like the Russian Jews and Germans. Many of the latter have been leaving Russia in droves since the 1980s.
- wheelerof4te 4y ago
  I understand the need to paint Russia like a country run by corrupt and incompetent people, in light of the current geopolitical events. But, in doing so, at least try to be believable.
- ghostwriter 4y ago
  It's remarkable how post-soviet states are quickly forgetting that many of them (Baltics, Georgia, and Ukraine in particular) built the majority of their currently existing heavy industries and civilian infrastructure due to their placement in the highest supply category (out of three other less fortunate categories [1]) under USSR's planned economy. For years the the entire union had been allocating its resources and the best work labour to these regions, in strong accordance to the priorities defined by Politburo. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/s8jy8l/each_settlement_in_the_ussr_was_assigned_to_one/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/s8jy8l/each_settle...