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That's why you cannot ask any government to protect its citizen digital systems, because there are too much interested in to get security holes for their own be

That's why you cannot ask any government to protect its citizen digital systems, because there are too much interested in to get security holes for their own benefit... Yep, we are alone in this, and with all those horrible standards/software(open source or not)/hardware, don't bother that much, it is unreasonable anyway.

jacooper 4y ago
I think the issue is more like, the agency that is specialized in security is also responsible for digital surveillance with practically zero oversight.
- newZWhoDis 4y ago
  I would be totally onboard with an NSA that acted purely in a defensive manner. Imagine getting a notice from the NSA that your Wordpress was vulnerable and exposed customer data because your server devs suck. Imagine an NSA that actually sent zero days to Apple instead of exploiting them.
  - jacooper 4y ago
    > Imagine getting a notice from the NSA that your Wordpress was vulnerable and exposed customer data because your server devs suck. BTW, this already exists in multiple countries, like Germany and now the UK [1/2] [1] https://www.bsi.bund.de/EN/Themen/Unternehmen-und-Organisationen/Cyber-Sicherheitslage/Reaktion/CERT-Bund/CERT-Bund-Reports/Offene-Server-Dienste/offene-server-dienste.html https://www.bsi.bund.de/EN/Themen/Unternehmen-und-Organisati... [2] https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/british-govt-is-scanning-all-internet-devices-hosted-in-uk/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/british-govt-...
mistermann 4y ago
> That's why you cannot ask any government to protect its citizen digital systems, because there are too much interested in to get security holes for their own benefit... Any government that currently exists maybe, but not necessarily any government that is possible. The governmental forms we have now are ancient, designed in a period that pales in comparison to the complexity and power currently available to mankind. The runtime we are in physically supports improvements, but it appears to not support improvements psychologically - you can test this theory by asking questions of agents within the runtime, and you will discover that there is extreme and almost unanimous opposition to improvements, which to me seems highly counter-intuitive but that is what data suggests.

jacooper 4y ago

I think the issue is more like, the agency that is specialized in security is also responsible for digital surveillance with practically zero oversight.

newZWhoDis 4y ago
I would be totally onboard with an NSA that acted purely in a defensive manner. Imagine getting a notice from the NSA that your Wordpress was vulnerable and exposed customer data because your server devs suck. Imagine an NSA that actually sent zero days to Apple instead of exploiting them.
- jacooper 4y ago
  > Imagine getting a notice from the NSA that your Wordpress was vulnerable and exposed customer data because your server devs suck. BTW, this already exists in multiple countries, like Germany and now the UK [1/2] [1] https://www.bsi.bund.de/EN/Themen/Unternehmen-und-Organisationen/Cyber-Sicherheitslage/Reaktion/CERT-Bund/CERT-Bund-Reports/Offene-Server-Dienste/offene-server-dienste.html https://www.bsi.bund.de/EN/Themen/Unternehmen-und-Organisati... [2] https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/british-govt-is-scanning-all-internet-devices-hosted-in-uk/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/british-govt-...

mistermann 4y ago

> That's why you cannot ask any government to protect its citizen digital systems, because there are too much interested in to get security holes for their own benefit... Any government that currently exists maybe, but not necessarily any government that is possible. The governmental forms we have now are ancient, designed in a period that pales in comparison to the complexity and power currently available to mankind. The runtime we are in physically supports improvements, but it appears to not support improvements psychologically - you can test this theory by asking questions of agents within the runtime, and you will discover that there is extreme and almost unanimous opposition to improvements, which to me seems highly counter-intuitive but that is what data suggests.