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I don’t agree with the advice but it’s a little silly to act like the institutions that have been ignoring life-saving and life-bettering treatments due to thei
by ethanbond 4y ago
I don’t agree with the advice but it’s a little silly to act like the institutions that have been ignoring life-saving and life-bettering treatments due to their phenomenological effects have some immediate monopoly on the right way to use those treatments.
- emodendroket 4y agoNo but that's an altogether different suggestion from advising depressed people go get high at a rave.
- ethanbond 4y agoDo we know that a clinical setting is advantageous or even neutral for these types of treatments? Ravers/psychedelic community: “it’s the drugs, music, and community, man!” Clinicians for 50 years while people are suffering immensely: “no.” Clinicians after 50 years: “okay, we’ll give you the drugs in our clean room.” Maybe clinical settings are fine, and surely the way to find out is by doing rigorous science, but it’s very possible still that the medical community is wrong on this and thousands of years of communal drug/dance/music rituals were “more right.”
- seattle_spring 4y agoRacers are some of the most depressed people I've ever met when not raving.
- dkjaudyeqooe 4y agoI'm not sure why there's such outrage at the suggestion. The point is that doing something enjoyable, exciting or joyful when taking these drugs is very effective. Maybe raves for a 65 year old is not appropriate, but it can be anything really: being out in nature, being with old friends, going to a concert, etc. Personally I wouldn't take any psychedelic in a doctor's office. That to me would be awful. Doctors (and other "normal people") are very conservative about drugs, mostly due to a history of toxic and racist politics and law around their use (except those that "normal people" deem acceptable such as alcohol and nicotine). I'd argue personal experimentation can be more useful to many individuals than strict clinical usage.
- emodendroket 4y agoIt seems to me the problem is if your situation goes off the rails things can go way worse.
- amanaplanacanal 4y agoI’m 66 and going to a rave sounds good to me ;)
- dkjaudyeqooe 4y agoI was going to say that people in their sixties would have been in their thirties in the 90's so probably went to raves, or at least clubs, and took all manner of drugs.
- amanaplanacanal 4y agoPlus teenager in the 70s, so weird drugs are totally in my wheelhouse.