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Mindset and Setting are so important to have right. If you are not in the right mindset, go do something else. It reads like the dosage was also a bit too hig

Mindset and Setting are so important to have right. If you are not in the right mindset, go do something else. It reads like the dosage was also a bit too high for the first time, and while I appreciate medical purity levels in things the doc can give you, injecting everything is just ew. You can get plenty of that active ingredient ingesting it like a normal savage through your face like God intended. Anyway, ketamine is not a psychedelic, is it? And if you're 65, find some younger friends and go to a rave. I think the clinical setting is maybe the least helpful for overcoming the emotions you don't want. Too bad the damage is already done with articles like this one, that don't need further inspection by most of the population. Why, one anecdotal uncomfortable experience by someone shafted by the medical sector cashing in on research results without mastery of the medium, just one is enough to derail helpful research and exploration for decades. Is it grossly irresponsible to post what should be in the Erowid experience vault to the Washington Post? Uh. yeah. Yeah it is.

WarOnPrivacy 4y ago
> It reads like the dosage was also a bit too high for the first time, and while I appreciate medical purity levels in things the doc can give you, injecting everything is just ew. I was thinking about this when the author said he was transiting from lozenge to injection. I'd of wanted to stay with lozenges until that experience became more productive.
subjectsigma 4y ago
Did you seriously just suggest that people should ignore treatment suggestions by real doctors and go to a rave? And then have the gall to call the author irresponsible? This is one of the many reasons why normal people are disgusted by rave culture.
- benmoose 4y ago
  Those disgusted by rave culture really should get out more
  - greesil 4y ago
    I'm terrified that somewhere, someone is having a good time.
  - subjectsigma 4y ago
    My girlfriend used to go to camping raves and had to stop. She described the culture as “really smelly and pretty rape-y depending on the set list”. Sounds just lovely. She still listens to the music, though, much to my chagrin as I think its fucking terrible.
- voisin 4y ago
  > one of the many reasons why normal people are disgusted by rave culture I’ve never been to a rave but I’ve also never met anyone in my life who has expressed disgust by rave culture. Is this a thing?
  - jungledeuce 4y ago
    You don’t know enough white suburban conservative Christian seniors. I agree it’s not exactly a huge group, but in my experience in the Midwest that’s where you might find disgust. Everywhere else? I agree, normal people are not in general “disgusted” by kids at parties dancing all night dressed in neon or whatever the kids these days do.
    - tdehnel 4y ago
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      - jungledeuce 4y ago
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      - tarotuser 4y ago
        It's a protestant (or WASP- white anglo-saxon protestant) history in the USA that has caused innumerable damage on medicine, education, and what is 'acceptable'. In sex-ed, we're not allowed to talk to children/adolescents that sex is enjoyable. It's against protestant morals. If something feels good, we're not allowed to talk about it. And in that same view, doctors should never give out drugs that make you feel good. We even have a term for this outside of doctors offices: sin taxes. Alcohol, tobacco, cannabis, mushrooms all make you feel 'good', but that feeling good is somehow bad. So yeah, there has been a stigma on psychotropic drugs in this country because they make you feel good. And that is bad to the WASP types. (And that's ignoring the fact that white isn't even a race to be racist against. White is a social construct created in Virginia to mean 'not negro and not indian's. Later was also 'not asian and not jew' and sometimes 'not Italian and not Irish'. But I digress....)
- ethanbond 4y ago
  I don’t agree with the advice but it’s a little silly to act like the institutions that have been ignoring life-saving and life-bettering treatments due to their phenomenological effects have some immediate monopoly on the right way to use those treatments.
  - emodendroket 4y ago
    No but that's an altogether different suggestion from advising depressed people go get high at a rave.
    - ethanbond 4y ago
      Do we know that a clinical setting is advantageous or even neutral for these types of treatments? Ravers/psychedelic community: “it’s the drugs, music, and community, man!” Clinicians for 50 years while people are suffering immensely: “no.” Clinicians after 50 years: “okay, we’ll give you the drugs in our clean room.” Maybe clinical settings are fine, and surely the way to find out is by doing rigorous science, but it’s very possible still that the medical community is wrong on this and thousands of years of communal drug/dance/music rituals were “more right.”
      - seattle_spring 4y ago
        Racers are some of the most depressed people I've ever met when not raving.
        ethanbond 4y ago
        Anecdotally, agreed. I would bet causality goes both directions on this though.
        elecush 4y ago
        burnout from overuse and over-frequent use is real
    - dkjaudyeqooe 4y ago
- im3w1l 4y ago
  Maybe she would have had a better experience spooning some handsome gentleman himself out of his mind on mdma than holding the hand of someone writing in a journal with the other hand and telling her to do breathing exercises? Or maybe not. These are basically religious experiences and there is a human and emotional element to consider. It's highly non-obvious.
- lliamander 4y ago
  Not personally a fan of rave culture, but might they have more experience with psychedelics that most doctors?
JumpinJack_Cash 4y ago
> > and go to a rave Does the rave music become any good once you pop MDMA? I don't like EDM and unless the MDMA also changes musical tastes then I'd rather be listening to classical, acid rock or ProgRock. Or watch a movie or better yet be having sex if the stim dick I keep hearing about doesn't present itself.
- pdntspa 4y ago
  The music is fantastic without drugs, you just have to go to shows that don't cater to the "EDM" crowd. (If everyone looks like frat bros, thats them) However, in the case of really obnoxious dubstep, LSD definitely helps
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WarOnPrivacy 4y ago

> It reads like the dosage was also a bit too high for the first time, and while I appreciate medical purity levels in things the doc can give you, injecting everything is just ew. I was thinking about this when the author said he was transiting from lozenge to injection. I'd of wanted to stay with lozenges until that experience became more productive.

subjectsigma 4y ago

Did you seriously just suggest that people should ignore treatment suggestions by real doctors and go to a rave? And then have the gall to call the author irresponsible? This is one of the many reasons why normal people are disgusted by rave culture.

benmoose 4y ago
Those disgusted by rave culture really should get out more
- greesil 4y ago
  I'm terrified that somewhere, someone is having a good time.
- subjectsigma 4y ago
  My girlfriend used to go to camping raves and had to stop. She described the culture as “really smelly and pretty rape-y depending on the set list”. Sounds just lovely. She still listens to the music, though, much to my chagrin as I think its fucking terrible.
voisin 4y ago
> one of the many reasons why normal people are disgusted by rave culture I’ve never been to a rave but I’ve also never met anyone in my life who has expressed disgust by rave culture. Is this a thing?
- jungledeuce 4y ago
  You don’t know enough white suburban conservative Christian seniors. I agree it’s not exactly a huge group, but in my experience in the Midwest that’s where you might find disgust. Everywhere else? I agree, normal people are not in general “disgusted” by kids at parties dancing all night dressed in neon or whatever the kids these days do.
  - tdehnel 4y ago
    [flagged]
    - jungledeuce 4y ago
      [flagged]
    - tarotuser 4y ago
      It's a protestant (or WASP- white anglo-saxon protestant) history in the USA that has caused innumerable damage on medicine, education, and what is 'acceptable'. In sex-ed, we're not allowed to talk to children/adolescents that sex is enjoyable. It's against protestant morals. If something feels good, we're not allowed to talk about it. And in that same view, doctors should never give out drugs that make you feel good. We even have a term for this outside of doctors offices: sin taxes. Alcohol, tobacco, cannabis, mushrooms all make you feel 'good', but that feeling good is somehow bad. So yeah, there has been a stigma on psychotropic drugs in this country because they make you feel good. And that is bad to the WASP types. (And that's ignoring the fact that white isn't even a race to be racist against. White is a social construct created in Virginia to mean 'not negro and not indian's. Later was also 'not asian and not jew' and sometimes 'not Italian and not Irish'. But I digress....)
ethanbond 4y ago
I don’t agree with the advice but it’s a little silly to act like the institutions that have been ignoring life-saving and life-bettering treatments due to their phenomenological effects have some immediate monopoly on the right way to use those treatments.
- emodendroket 4y ago
  No but that's an altogether different suggestion from advising depressed people go get high at a rave.
  - ethanbond 4y ago
    Do we know that a clinical setting is advantageous or even neutral for these types of treatments? Ravers/psychedelic community: “it’s the drugs, music, and community, man!” Clinicians for 50 years while people are suffering immensely: “no.” Clinicians after 50 years: “okay, we’ll give you the drugs in our clean room.” Maybe clinical settings are fine, and surely the way to find out is by doing rigorous science, but it’s very possible still that the medical community is wrong on this and thousands of years of communal drug/dance/music rituals were “more right.”
    - seattle_spring 4y ago
      Racers are some of the most depressed people I've ever met when not raving.
      - ethanbond 4y ago
        Anecdotally, agreed. I would bet causality goes both directions on this though.
      - elecush 4y ago
        burnout from overuse and over-frequent use is real
  - dkjaudyeqooe 4y ago
im3w1l 4y ago
Maybe she would have had a better experience spooning some handsome gentleman himself out of his mind on mdma than holding the hand of someone writing in a journal with the other hand and telling her to do breathing exercises? Or maybe not. These are basically religious experiences and there is a human and emotional element to consider. It's highly non-obvious.
lliamander 4y ago
Not personally a fan of rave culture, but might they have more experience with psychedelics that most doctors?

JumpinJack_Cash 4y ago

> > and go to a rave Does the rave music become any good once you pop MDMA? I don't like EDM and unless the MDMA also changes musical tastes then I'd rather be listening to classical, acid rock or ProgRock. Or watch a movie or better yet be having sex if the stim dick I keep hearing about doesn't present itself.

pdntspa 4y ago
The music is fantastic without drugs, you just have to go to shows that don't cater to the "EDM" crowd. (If everyone looks like frat bros, thats them) However, in the case of really obnoxious dubstep, LSD definitely helps

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