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Well, I guess since the US did a bad thing one time we'd better give these nice religious authoritarians a pass, huh? Though I'll agree the way it's phrased in

Well, I guess since the US did a bad thing one time we'd better give these nice religious authoritarians a pass, huh? Though I'll agree the way it's phrased in the submitted article is misleading, your comment mostly comes off as needless whataboutism.

bailoon 4y ago
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xbmcuser 4y ago
They are doing it again in Pakistan currently for the US democracy is not important as long as the monarchy or military dictator tow the line. Western media almost silence against the killing of journalists torture, arrests of politicians assassination attempts shows the true face of western democracies. If the arrest and murders are done by powers in countries that say what US wants then there is media silence.
- ivraatiems 4y ago
  And that's bad, but what does it have to do with oppression by Iran against its own people?
  - xbmcuser 4y ago
    Someone says that part of the blame of what is happening in Iran lies with USA as they derail democracies that don't follow their agenda which leads to what we are seeing in Iran. Another guy said that USA might have made a mistake in the past but I replied that they are still doing the same stupid shit ie what is happening in Pakistan. Where a democracy that was taking root was derailed because the political party in power did not want to fight wars or allow other countries to use it soil for such ie USA. Now Pakistan is at a ledge where if the Pakistan military which is being supported by the US in removing a popular democratic leader. Hundreds of ordinary people were arrested and tortured but no noise from the west and they are moving towards a similar situation that is happening in Iran and US has its hands in it.
foverzar 4y ago
Why do "we" (you) even think you have the right to meddle with other countries on the other side of the planet, despite an overwhelming evidence of so many instances of it going clusterfuck wrong? What kind of chauvinism is that?
- foverzar 4y ago
  I love how people downvote this, avoiding asking themselves some tough questions and giving a straight answer. This is not a rhetorical question: how and why do people think they have this right?
  - ivraatiems 4y ago
    I neither think I have this right nor asserted this right. That's why you're being downvoted.
    - foverzar 4y ago
      > we'd better give these nice religious authoritarians a pass > we > give a pass You are clearly implying that this is somehow your (collective) business and it is up to you to "give a pass" (also implying that the contrary is an option) to a country that is world away from you. Imagine someone in Iran/Russia/China saying "we shouldn't give a pass to the US for all the arrests and even a murder during the Capitol riots" - how would that FEEL like? I know empathy doesn't cross western cultural borders, but stepping in someone's shoes is a simple exercise.
      - ivraatiems 4y ago
        "We" means "the Hacker News community discussing this topic." You don't even know that I'm American. (I am, but you had no way of knowing that when I wrote my post.) This is a website for discussing things and having opinions. That's kind of the point. You're the one who assumed the collective pronoun was nationally based. I am under no obligation to turn a blind eye to anybody's bad behavior simply because they live in a different country. Nor have I said anywhere that anyone else ought to treat me differently. If a Russian person wants to critique the US response to Jan 6th, let them. I suspect there would be facts in need of clarifying if they think it's equivalent to Iran, but they're entitled to their opinion.

bailoon 4y ago

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xbmcuser 4y ago

They are doing it again in Pakistan currently for the US democracy is not important as long as the monarchy or military dictator tow the line. Western media almost silence against the killing of journalists torture, arrests of politicians assassination attempts shows the true face of western democracies. If the arrest and murders are done by powers in countries that say what US wants then there is media silence.

ivraatiems 4y ago
And that's bad, but what does it have to do with oppression by Iran against its own people?
- xbmcuser 4y ago
  Someone says that part of the blame of what is happening in Iran lies with USA as they derail democracies that don't follow their agenda which leads to what we are seeing in Iran. Another guy said that USA might have made a mistake in the past but I replied that they are still doing the same stupid shit ie what is happening in Pakistan. Where a democracy that was taking root was derailed because the political party in power did not want to fight wars or allow other countries to use it soil for such ie USA. Now Pakistan is at a ledge where if the Pakistan military which is being supported by the US in removing a popular democratic leader. Hundreds of ordinary people were arrested and tortured but no noise from the west and they are moving towards a similar situation that is happening in Iran and US has its hands in it.

foverzar 4y ago

Why do "we" (you) even think you have the right to meddle with other countries on the other side of the planet, despite an overwhelming evidence of so many instances of it going clusterfuck wrong? What kind of chauvinism is that?

foverzar 4y ago
I love how people downvote this, avoiding asking themselves some tough questions and giving a straight answer. This is not a rhetorical question: how and why do people think they have this right?
- ivraatiems 4y ago
  I neither think I have this right nor asserted this right. That's why you're being downvoted.
  - foverzar 4y ago
    > we'd better give these nice religious authoritarians a pass > we > give a pass You are clearly implying that this is somehow your (collective) business and it is up to you to "give a pass" (also implying that the contrary is an option) to a country that is world away from you. Imagine someone in Iran/Russia/China saying "we shouldn't give a pass to the US for all the arrests and even a murder during the Capitol riots" - how would that FEEL like? I know empathy doesn't cross western cultural borders, but stepping in someone's shoes is a simple exercise.
    - ivraatiems 4y ago
      "We" means "the Hacker News community discussing this topic." You don't even know that I'm American. (I am, but you had no way of knowing that when I wrote my post.) This is a website for discussing things and having opinions. That's kind of the point. You're the one who assumed the collective pronoun was nationally based. I am under no obligation to turn a blind eye to anybody's bad behavior simply because they live in a different country. Nor have I said anywhere that anyone else ought to treat me differently. If a Russian person wants to critique the US response to Jan 6th, let them. I suspect there would be facts in need of clarifying if they think it's equivalent to Iran, but they're entitled to their opinion.