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That's actually part of how the disease presents.

_2uwr 4y ago
So being human expressing likes and dislikes is now a disease? Was this expert who defined ADHD tested for psychopathy and sadism, or is group conformity and obedience to authority on display here with the existence and definition of ADHD? I suppose one way a university can get around its ethics boards, is to identify and grade highly psychopaths and sadists, to carry on their work by proxy of their students. A highly deniable move by any means.
- iamdbtoo 4y ago
  The problem isn't having likes or dislikes it's that you will only focus on the things you like, even to your own detriment. That's what makes it a disorder.
- attemptone 4y ago
  >So being human expressing likes and dislikes is now a disease? No, but if I you are unable to do the things you mildy dislike to the point of being detrimental to your life-quality. There's a difference between "I don't like paying the bills but I'll do it once a month" and "I don't like paying the bills but even if I try to do them I end up not doing them" I can't really follow your point on the other paragraphs, what are you trying to get at?
  - amf12 4y ago
    They are trying to suggest ADHD isn't really a thing and the usual "everyone has a little ADHD in them". So stupid. The lack of awareness that other people can have different experiences is just annoying.
PragmaticPulp 4y ago
Not exactly. ADHD isn’t equivalent to having a lack of discipline to focus on things you don’t like. ADHD is a more severe condition. It’s important to avoid equating dislike for uninteresting tasks with ADHD. That’s not what ADHD patients are suffering from. It’s also very important to avoid giving the impression that stimulant medications are an easy solution for motivation. The motivating side effects of stimulants wears off as tolerance sets in, so people who depend on stimulants for motivation to do boring tasks can end up in a bad place after a few years or even months. ADHD treatment isn’t equivalent to getting motivation from a pill, but it can reduce some of the distractions and impulses that can pull people away from tasks.
- sudosysgen 4y ago
  It really depends. Ability to focus on things you find very interesting in the moment is a presentation that some people exhibit. That might still be an issue even for those things because you can still have high impulsivity, or be very irregular in your interest, or have issues with motivation and executive dysfunction that are separate from that, and of course ADHD affects more than just your work (that's actually a diagnostic criteria). That the motivational effects of stimulants wear off is not well supported by the evidence. It will definitely feel like they do to you, but your baseline state after the first few weeks is very likely to still be much better than it was before treatment, despite subjectively feeling identical or worse. Of course, it's well established that stimulant medication isn't the only effective thing - controlling distraction is certainly very effective too.
chrsig 4y ago
It's a disorder, not a disease.
- wins32767 4y ago
  From Wikipedia: "In humans, disease is often used more broadly to refer to any condition that causes pain, dysfunction, distress, social problems, or death to the person affected, or similar problems for those in contact with the person. In this broader sense, it sometimes includes injuries, disabilities, disorders..."

So being human expressing likes and dislikes is now a disease? Was this expert who defined ADHD tested for psychopathy and sadism, or is group conformity and obedience to authority on display here with the existence and definition of ADHD? I suppose one way a university can get around its ethics boards, is to identify and grade highly psychopaths and sadists, to carry on their work by proxy of their students. A highly deniable move by any means.

iamdbtoo 4y ago
The problem isn't having likes or dislikes it's that you will only focus on the things you like, even to your own detriment. That's what makes it a disorder.
attemptone 4y ago
>So being human expressing likes and dislikes is now a disease? No, but if I you are unable to do the things you mildy dislike to the point of being detrimental to your life-quality. There's a difference between "I don't like paying the bills but I'll do it once a month" and "I don't like paying the bills but even if I try to do them I end up not doing them" I can't really follow your point on the other paragraphs, what are you trying to get at?
- amf12 4y ago
  They are trying to suggest ADHD isn't really a thing and the usual "everyone has a little ADHD in them". So stupid. The lack of awareness that other people can have different experiences is just annoying.

PragmaticPulp 4y ago

Not exactly. ADHD isn’t equivalent to having a lack of discipline to focus on things you don’t like. ADHD is a more severe condition. It’s important to avoid equating dislike for uninteresting tasks with ADHD. That’s not what ADHD patients are suffering from. It’s also very important to avoid giving the impression that stimulant medications are an easy solution for motivation. The motivating side effects of stimulants wears off as tolerance sets in, so people who depend on stimulants for motivation to do boring tasks can end up in a bad place after a few years or even months. ADHD treatment isn’t equivalent to getting motivation from a pill, but it can reduce some of the distractions and impulses that can pull people away from tasks.

sudosysgen 4y ago
It really depends. Ability to focus on things you find very interesting in the moment is a presentation that some people exhibit. That might still be an issue even for those things because you can still have high impulsivity, or be very irregular in your interest, or have issues with motivation and executive dysfunction that are separate from that, and of course ADHD affects more than just your work (that's actually a diagnostic criteria). That the motivational effects of stimulants wear off is not well supported by the evidence. It will definitely feel like they do to you, but your baseline state after the first few weeks is very likely to still be much better than it was before treatment, despite subjectively feeling identical or worse. Of course, it's well established that stimulant medication isn't the only effective thing - controlling distraction is certainly very effective too.

chrsig 4y ago

It's a disorder, not a disease.

wins32767 4y ago
From Wikipedia: "In humans, disease is often used more broadly to refer to any condition that causes pain, dysfunction, distress, social problems, or death to the person affected, or similar problems for those in contact with the person. In this broader sense, it sometimes includes injuries, disabilities, disorders..."