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I think it’s funny that we always mocked countries for castrating gay people. How could they do that we asked. And now we’re castrating millions in the name of

I think it’s funny that we always mocked countries for castrating gay people. How could they do that we asked. And now we’re castrating millions in the name of diversity. Ironic.

honeybadger1 4y ago
I am gay, 34, and I still can't understand HOW doctors can justify severing breasts, a penis, or altering chemical systems permanently in someones body to make them feel better about themselves, especially in youth! This is like treating Schizophrenia by playing into their delusions to give them comfort. There is also something extremely concerning about gender dysphoria or being trans becoming essentially a pop culture within more blue-leaning states while other states have statistically low occurrence of gender dysphoria(which is in line with modern psychiatry and historically). Are blue-leaning states producing trans people, why are most trans people in the USA under 25(by more than 43%!)? Is this our generations medical grift(snake oil)? In 40 years will we have a derogatory reference to it in our history books(gender med)? Sounds super insensitive, but I don't mean to be. I feel awful for these people that are truly miserable and need help, but there is more going on here from a crony-capitalism and big-pharma perspective than people are willing to admit. It seems like every where I turn I am trying to be convinced it IS the answer and Gay or Lesbian people are also being forced to get in line on what is happening(if you're a gay male who only dates other biological males, you're transphobic...yeah)... I feel this is so damaging to a large group of a future generation of our youth and creating contention even between communities that are otherwise united on the other 98% of issues that we face.
- ghqst 4y ago
  Gender dysphoria is easy to shove down if you're in an environment where others around you won't be accepting. It's unsurprising that blue states have a lot more REPORTED trans people. However, the general internet culture of teenagers misdiagnosing medical disorders means that there is indeed too many of the wrong people receiving gender affirming care. In regards to the biological male thing, no sane person would say that this is transphobic. Attraction has many factors, it's just being mean about it to trans men that is hurtful, not "not being attracted to them," which is normal imo.
  - honeybadger1 4y ago
    I am not sure of where you hang, who you know, but it is absolutely a trend in trans-politics right now that gay biological men only dating biological males is considered transphobic. It also applies to lesbians who refuse to accept transwomen as lesbian and essentially a new branch of feminism has been formed, dubbed 'terf'(trans-excluding radical feminist). It's the latest thing right now in gay politics world and its splitting the community up very quickly.
    - ghqst 4y ago
      My statement still stands about sane people. Radlibs are very annoying and hurt the overall image of trans people. TERFs are a different beast entirely, because of the "accepting" part, not just the attraction part.
      - honeybadger1 4y ago
        I am not shocked at all, that for them, allowing men to colonize their personal life is unacceptable. Do these Women not have the right to avoid a penis?
        ghqst 4y ago
        Bathrooms are a messy issue, and personally I'm in favor of a pivot towards individual genderless stalls, but one important thing to consider is that trans women are much more at risk when using the men's room than women are when trans women use the women's. There's also the issue of how you're going to legislate passing trans women from using the women's room. I also generally dislike TERFs because they're partnering with right wing reactionary groups that might be helping now but don't want women's rights in the end either.
        smegger001 4y ago
        Honestly I am not sure why we haven't moved to unisex bathrooms. it makes the whole trans-bathroom issue a moot point.
Balgair 4y ago
Wait, millions of people have gone through gender reassignment? Like, that seems really high.
- Ingaz 4y ago
  South-Eastern Asia are forerunners in transgender. Traditions are from ancient times. "Lady boys" in Thailand are not something rare. Another "leader" - Iran. Muslim authorities are strongly contra for homosexualism but gender correction is a right thing
  - alephnerd 4y ago
    Well, in Iran and South Asia, gender correction is supported due to homophobia (if I am sexually attracted to a man, maybe I should become a woman instead). Hijras/Transgender are still relegated to an inferior status and it is still treated as a "mental illness" in Iran legally speaking. But, then again, if you are a closeted gay man in a very traditionalist household in a conservative town and from a lower class background, you could either remain closeted your whole life, openly come out and get lynched, or choose to transition and then "only" get shunned and stigmatized.
    - fennecfoxy 4y ago
      You're right; there are a lot of places where gay men transition purely because they could be killed for being gay, but transitioning is an easy out to be with the man that they love without dying for it (because heterosexual relations are legal and transitioning is legal, but being gay is not).

I think it’s funny that we always mocked countries for castrating gay people. How could they do that we asked. And now we’re castrating millions in the name of diversity. Ironic.

honeybadger1 4y ago

I am gay, 34, and I still can't understand HOW doctors can justify severing breasts, a penis, or altering chemical systems permanently in someones body to make them feel better about themselves, especially in youth! This is like treating Schizophrenia by playing into their delusions to give them comfort. There is also something extremely concerning about gender dysphoria or being trans becoming essentially a pop culture within more blue-leaning states while other states have statistically low occurrence of gender dysphoria(which is in line with modern psychiatry and historically). Are blue-leaning states producing trans people, why are most trans people in the USA under 25(by more than 43%!)? Is this our generations medical grift(snake oil)? In 40 years will we have a derogatory reference to it in our history books(gender med)? Sounds super insensitive, but I don't mean to be. I feel awful for these people that are truly miserable and need help, but there is more going on here from a crony-capitalism and big-pharma perspective than people are willing to admit. It seems like every where I turn I am trying to be convinced it IS the answer and Gay or Lesbian people are also being forced to get in line on what is happening(if you're a gay male who only dates other biological males, you're transphobic...yeah)... I feel this is so damaging to a large group of a future generation of our youth and creating contention even between communities that are otherwise united on the other 98% of issues that we face.

ghqst 4y ago
Gender dysphoria is easy to shove down if you're in an environment where others around you won't be accepting. It's unsurprising that blue states have a lot more REPORTED trans people. However, the general internet culture of teenagers misdiagnosing medical disorders means that there is indeed too many of the wrong people receiving gender affirming care. In regards to the biological male thing, no sane person would say that this is transphobic. Attraction has many factors, it's just being mean about it to trans men that is hurtful, not "not being attracted to them," which is normal imo.
- honeybadger1 4y ago
  I am not sure of where you hang, who you know, but it is absolutely a trend in trans-politics right now that gay biological men only dating biological males is considered transphobic. It also applies to lesbians who refuse to accept transwomen as lesbian and essentially a new branch of feminism has been formed, dubbed 'terf'(trans-excluding radical feminist). It's the latest thing right now in gay politics world and its splitting the community up very quickly.
  - ghqst 4y ago
    My statement still stands about sane people. Radlibs are very annoying and hurt the overall image of trans people. TERFs are a different beast entirely, because of the "accepting" part, not just the attraction part.
    - honeybadger1 4y ago
      I am not shocked at all, that for them, allowing men to colonize their personal life is unacceptable. Do these Women not have the right to avoid a penis?
      - ghqst 4y ago
        Bathrooms are a messy issue, and personally I'm in favor of a pivot towards individual genderless stalls, but one important thing to consider is that trans women are much more at risk when using the men's room than women are when trans women use the women's. There's also the issue of how you're going to legislate passing trans women from using the women's room. I also generally dislike TERFs because they're partnering with right wing reactionary groups that might be helping now but don't want women's rights in the end either.
        smegger001 4y ago
        Honestly I am not sure why we haven't moved to unisex bathrooms. it makes the whole trans-bathroom issue a moot point.

Balgair 4y ago

Wait, millions of people have gone through gender reassignment? Like, that seems really high.

Ingaz 4y ago
South-Eastern Asia are forerunners in transgender. Traditions are from ancient times. "Lady boys" in Thailand are not something rare. Another "leader" - Iran. Muslim authorities are strongly contra for homosexualism but gender correction is a right thing
- alephnerd 4y ago
  Well, in Iran and South Asia, gender correction is supported due to homophobia (if I am sexually attracted to a man, maybe I should become a woman instead). Hijras/Transgender are still relegated to an inferior status and it is still treated as a "mental illness" in Iran legally speaking. But, then again, if you are a closeted gay man in a very traditionalist household in a conservative town and from a lower class background, you could either remain closeted your whole life, openly come out and get lynched, or choose to transition and then "only" get shunned and stigmatized.
  - fennecfoxy 4y ago
    You're right; there are a lot of places where gay men transition purely because they could be killed for being gay, but transitioning is an easy out to be with the man that they love without dying for it (because heterosexual relations are legal and transitioning is legal, but being gay is not).