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Increased societal acceptance of men wearing clothing and styling themselves in a way that is considered feminine, is a different type of thing to eradicating f

Increased societal acceptance of men wearing clothing and styling themselves in a way that is considered feminine, is a different type of thing to eradicating female-only safe spaces. The latter is still necessary due to human sexual dimorphism. The former is just adornments.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
Sexual dimorphism in humans has significant overlap. Many females are well above average male strength and many men are well below average female strength. I therefore submit that it doesn't really make any sense to use this as a basis for what constitutes a "safe space".
- tempposter 4y ago
  Posting this from an alt because I've almost gotten in trouble for mentioning this. But the overlap is not that big: > Hand-grip strength has been identified as one limiting factor for manual lifting and carrying loads. To obtain epidemiologically relevant hand-grip strength data for pre-employment screening, we determined maximal isometric hand-grip strength in 1,654 healthy men and 533 healthy women aged 20-25 years. Moreover, to assess the potential margins for improvement in hand-grip strength of women by training, we studied 60 highly trained elite female athletes from sports known to require high hand-grip forces (judo, handball) > 90% of females produced less force than 95% of males. Though female athletes were significantly stronger (444 N) than their untrained female counterparts, this value corresponded to only the 25th percentile of the male subjects. > The results of female national elite athletes even indicate that the strength level attainable by extremely high training will rarely surpass the 50th percentile of untrained or not specifically trained men. Source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17186303/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17186303/
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
    Yet there are hundreds of female rock climbers who will kick my ass on any crag in existence. We're not like spiders where the males are super tiny and easily eaten by the females, or even cardinals where the male has really colorful plumage. The differences are not super significant.
    - Evolution314 4y ago
      This is comparing two entirely different things. Rock climbing is a very complex sport in which the physical advantages that females have, such as flexibility are of similar importance to strength. Being able to get a high foot will give you much more leverage on the stronger muscles of your legs which is especially important when your forearms are screaming at you. Female climbers are also usually more efficient than male climbers which is needed as they are on average less strong. The difference between female strength and male strength in climbers is still significant, but the difference in performance less.
      - AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
        I'm fairly certain Alex Puccio will kick my ass at any sport you care to name, and I'm sure that goes for the vast majority of men.
        empthought 4y ago
        Luckily someone already did research into this (the other commenter linked it) and it’s likely she’d only be able to kick half of men’s asses at best. Which would still be pretty impressive and unlikely. This whole “actually there’s a big overlap” misconception is easily defeatable by noting that no women play in the NBA, NHL, MLB, or MLS. If there is a big overlap in physical capability, why haven’t women started going for the millions of dollars available in these open leagues? Are they too lazy, or too stupid?
        AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
        I'm going to need a citation on that. I very much doubt even 25% of the men in the world could do what she does. The big overlap is with the rest of the population. Of course little advantages in a population are going to be exaggerated if you only sample the top 1% of people!
        empthought 4y ago

AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago

Sexual dimorphism in humans has significant overlap. Many females are well above average male strength and many men are well below average female strength. I therefore submit that it doesn't really make any sense to use this as a basis for what constitutes a "safe space".

tempposter 4y ago
Posting this from an alt because I've almost gotten in trouble for mentioning this. But the overlap is not that big: > Hand-grip strength has been identified as one limiting factor for manual lifting and carrying loads. To obtain epidemiologically relevant hand-grip strength data for pre-employment screening, we determined maximal isometric hand-grip strength in 1,654 healthy men and 533 healthy women aged 20-25 years. Moreover, to assess the potential margins for improvement in hand-grip strength of women by training, we studied 60 highly trained elite female athletes from sports known to require high hand-grip forces (judo, handball) > 90% of females produced less force than 95% of males. Though female athletes were significantly stronger (444 N) than their untrained female counterparts, this value corresponded to only the 25th percentile of the male subjects. > The results of female national elite athletes even indicate that the strength level attainable by extremely high training will rarely surpass the 50th percentile of untrained or not specifically trained men. Source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17186303/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17186303/
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
  Yet there are hundreds of female rock climbers who will kick my ass on any crag in existence. We're not like spiders where the males are super tiny and easily eaten by the females, or even cardinals where the male has really colorful plumage. The differences are not super significant.
  - Evolution314 4y ago
    This is comparing two entirely different things. Rock climbing is a very complex sport in which the physical advantages that females have, such as flexibility are of similar importance to strength. Being able to get a high foot will give you much more leverage on the stronger muscles of your legs which is especially important when your forearms are screaming at you. Female climbers are also usually more efficient than male climbers which is needed as they are on average less strong. The difference between female strength and male strength in climbers is still significant, but the difference in performance less.
    - AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
      I'm fairly certain Alex Puccio will kick my ass at any sport you care to name, and I'm sure that goes for the vast majority of men.
      - empthought 4y ago
        Luckily someone already did research into this (the other commenter linked it) and it’s likely she’d only be able to kick half of men’s asses at best. Which would still be pretty impressive and unlikely. This whole “actually there’s a big overlap” misconception is easily defeatable by noting that no women play in the NBA, NHL, MLB, or MLS. If there is a big overlap in physical capability, why haven’t women started going for the millions of dollars available in these open leagues? Are they too lazy, or too stupid?
        AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
        I'm going to need a citation on that. I very much doubt even 25% of the men in the world could do what she does. The big overlap is with the rest of the population. Of course little advantages in a population are going to be exaggerated if you only sample the top 1% of people!
        empthought 4y ago