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Possibly. When you get right down to it, "gender" is really just a categorization of behavioral traits. This is what we mean when we say that gender is a socia

Possibly. When you get right down to it, "gender" is really just a categorization of behavioral traits. This is what we mean when we say that gender is a social construct. I mean, what are people so worried about with trans people? That they use the "wrong" bathroom, wear the "wrong" clothes, use the "wrong" pronoun? These are all arbitrary bullshit. If we had genderless bathrooms and accepted that people could wear whatever they want and got rid of gendered pronouns, maybe we really wouldn't need special gender-affirming care. I have it on good authority that having the "wrong" genitalia for your gender is legitimately distressing, but perhaps that is just part of the expression of the social construct of gender and if the person had grown up without the concept of gender they wouldn't care what their genitalia were. Regardless, it wouldn't be an different than any other form of plastic surgery as far as I'm concerned.

gingfro 4y ago
Increased societal acceptance of men wearing clothing and styling themselves in a way that is considered feminine, is a different type of thing to eradicating female-only safe spaces. The latter is still necessary due to human sexual dimorphism. The former is just adornments.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
  Sexual dimorphism in humans has significant overlap. Many females are well above average male strength and many men are well below average female strength. I therefore submit that it doesn't really make any sense to use this as a basis for what constitutes a "safe space".
  - tempposter 4y ago
    Posting this from an alt because I've almost gotten in trouble for mentioning this. But the overlap is not that big: > Hand-grip strength has been identified as one limiting factor for manual lifting and carrying loads. To obtain epidemiologically relevant hand-grip strength data for pre-employment screening, we determined maximal isometric hand-grip strength in 1,654 healthy men and 533 healthy women aged 20-25 years. Moreover, to assess the potential margins for improvement in hand-grip strength of women by training, we studied 60 highly trained elite female athletes from sports known to require high hand-grip forces (judo, handball) > 90% of females produced less force than 95% of males. Though female athletes were significantly stronger (444 N) than their untrained female counterparts, this value corresponded to only the 25th percentile of the male subjects. > The results of female national elite athletes even indicate that the strength level attainable by extremely high training will rarely surpass the 50th percentile of untrained or not specifically trained men. Source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17186303/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17186303/
    - AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
      Yet there are hundreds of female rock climbers who will kick my ass on any crag in existence. We're not like spiders where the males are super tiny and easily eaten by the females, or even cardinals where the male has really colorful plumage. The differences are not super significant.
      - Evolution314 4y ago
        This is comparing two entirely different things. Rock climbing is a very complex sport in which the physical advantages that females have, such as flexibility are of similar importance to strength. Being able to get a high foot will give you much more leverage on the stronger muscles of your legs which is especially important when your forearms are screaming at you. Female climbers are also usually more efficient than male climbers which is needed as they are on average less strong. The difference between female strength and male strength in climbers is still significant, but the difference in performance less.
        AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
        I'm fairly certain Alex Puccio will kick my ass at any sport you care to name, and I'm sure that goes for the vast majority of men.
        empthought 4y ago
        Luckily someone already did research into this (the other commenter linked it) and it’s likely she’d only be able to kick half of men’s asses at best. Which would still be pretty impressive and unlikely. This whole “actually there’s a big overlap” misconception is easily defeatable by noting that no women play in the NBA, NHL, MLB, or MLS. If there is a big overlap in physical capability, why haven’t women started going for the millions of dollars available in these open leagues? Are they too lazy, or too stupid?
        AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago

gingfro 4y ago

Increased societal acceptance of men wearing clothing and styling themselves in a way that is considered feminine, is a different type of thing to eradicating female-only safe spaces. The latter is still necessary due to human sexual dimorphism. The former is just adornments.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
Sexual dimorphism in humans has significant overlap. Many females are well above average male strength and many men are well below average female strength. I therefore submit that it doesn't really make any sense to use this as a basis for what constitutes a "safe space".
- tempposter 4y ago
  Posting this from an alt because I've almost gotten in trouble for mentioning this. But the overlap is not that big: > Hand-grip strength has been identified as one limiting factor for manual lifting and carrying loads. To obtain epidemiologically relevant hand-grip strength data for pre-employment screening, we determined maximal isometric hand-grip strength in 1,654 healthy men and 533 healthy women aged 20-25 years. Moreover, to assess the potential margins for improvement in hand-grip strength of women by training, we studied 60 highly trained elite female athletes from sports known to require high hand-grip forces (judo, handball) > 90% of females produced less force than 95% of males. Though female athletes were significantly stronger (444 N) than their untrained female counterparts, this value corresponded to only the 25th percentile of the male subjects. > The results of female national elite athletes even indicate that the strength level attainable by extremely high training will rarely surpass the 50th percentile of untrained or not specifically trained men. Source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17186303/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17186303/
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
    Yet there are hundreds of female rock climbers who will kick my ass on any crag in existence. We're not like spiders where the males are super tiny and easily eaten by the females, or even cardinals where the male has really colorful plumage. The differences are not super significant.
    - Evolution314 4y ago
      This is comparing two entirely different things. Rock climbing is a very complex sport in which the physical advantages that females have, such as flexibility are of similar importance to strength. Being able to get a high foot will give you much more leverage on the stronger muscles of your legs which is especially important when your forearms are screaming at you. Female climbers are also usually more efficient than male climbers which is needed as they are on average less strong. The difference between female strength and male strength in climbers is still significant, but the difference in performance less.
      - AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
        I'm fairly certain Alex Puccio will kick my ass at any sport you care to name, and I'm sure that goes for the vast majority of men.
        empthought 4y ago
        Luckily someone already did research into this (the other commenter linked it) and it’s likely she’d only be able to kick half of men’s asses at best. Which would still be pretty impressive and unlikely. This whole “actually there’s a big overlap” misconception is easily defeatable by noting that no women play in the NBA, NHL, MLB, or MLS. If there is a big overlap in physical capability, why haven’t women started going for the millions of dollars available in these open leagues? Are they too lazy, or too stupid?
        AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago