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Russian trolls I would say.

glogla 4y ago
For sure, but not only. The German way - turning off nuclear power to replace it with coal and gas while running token amount of renewables which will never cover the base load (because the required amount of storage would be insane), is very much the dream of traditional coal, gas and oil industries. Yet the Germans argue it is the best way because "what about the waste?!!!111" It is a shame that whole country managed to get coopted, brainwashed and corrupted this way, especially since they try to push this evil on EU level as well, but it is what it is.
- looping__lui 4y ago
  Yes, except that political decision making doesn’t reflect public opinion. The majority wants nuclear power back.
  - glogla 4y ago
    That I did not know.
  - nailer 4y ago
    I believe you but have a citation? Thanks.
    - looping__lui 4y ago
      https://www.rnd.de/politik/atomkraft-in-deutschland-lautzeitverlaengerungen-bis-mindestens-sommer-2023-von-mehrheit-der-XFM6JMYQ3RD6FJTAOCGYTZXEQU.html?outputType=valid_amp https://www.rnd.de/politik/atomkraft-in-deutschland-lautzeit... https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/atom-umfrage-41-prozent-der-deutschen-wollen-neubau-von-kernkraftwerken-a-a44d8513-89b3-4243-aeb5-609edf2be9f6 https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/atom-umfrage-41-prozent-der-... https://www.tech-for-future.de/atomkraft-umfrage/ https://www.tech-for-future.de/atomkraft-umfrage/
- unglaublich 4y ago
  All the while the millions of yearly deaths directly caused by air pollution of fossil fuels are waved away.
- locallost 4y ago
  Stop spreading disinformation. Germany not only switched off nuclear plants but reduced its coal use drastically compared to levels 10 years ago. I've posted data on this a billion times, and am too lazy to do it now -- checking the actual data for once before posting an opinion should not be too difficult. Sorry, but this is beyond pitiful.
  - herewulf 4y ago
    How is that reduced coal use going right now? And next winter?
    - locallost 4y ago
      It's going as well as it did. Stop reading headlines with agendas and look at the data. Start here: https://mobile.twitter.com/CoalFreeDave/status/1620360558255181824 https://mobile.twitter.com/CoalFreeDave/status/1620360558255...
  - mpweiher 4y ago
    Stop spreading disinformation. Reduction has been minimal, and now that we no longer have the Russian gas that we used to substitute coal, we are turning coal plants back on. While at the same time shutting down clean nuclear. The mind boggles. Go to https://www.electricitymaps.com https://www.electricitymaps.com On almost every day, Germany is the 2nd least green country in Europe, only after Poland. In 2014, Germany was the largest producer of CO2 emissions in Europe, by a wide margin. https://gefira.org/en/2015/12/15/germany-the-largest-co2-emissions-producer-in-europe/ https://gefira.org/en/2015/12/15/germany-the-largest-co2-emi...
    - locallost 4y ago
      Here are the official data related to electricity production https://www.umweltbundesamt.de/sites/default/files/medien/384/bilder/3_abb_bruttostromerzeugung-et_2022-12-16.png https://www.umweltbundesamt.de/sites/default/files/medien/38... Coal are the bottom two things on the chart (brown and gray). Drastically down. Gas use percentage wise is pretty much the same as 10 years ago. Obviously you're making things up. Germany is also not turning coal plants back on: there were about a dozen coal plants put on stand by this year as an emergency, but they mostly stayed off. The funny part is that the emergency was mostly related to the collapse of nuclear in France where most of the surrounding countries suddenly needed to support it. But in the end renewables made up most of the difference. Here's a Twitter thread with the data https://mobile.twitter.com/CoalFreeDave/status/1620360558255181824 https://mobile.twitter.com/CoalFreeDave/status/1620360558255... Europe needs to get off fossil fuels and it's about to do that really fast. Unnecessary hurdles were removed to make renewable deployment easier. As a consequence there's been a huge uptick in nuclear lobbying and astroturfing - this industry is scared it's about to be made officially irrelevant. All sort of plans are being made but there will be so much new renewable generation by the time this plans are finalized, let alone the decades it will take to get anything done with nuclear, that it will not matter at all.
- pjmlp 4y ago
  The worst part is how everyone is allowed to block deployment of renewable energies like the Windmills, because it is not nice for the landscape, it is noisy or whatever. In other EU countries it is done, period, no one gets asked for their opinion.

For sure, but not only. The German way - turning off nuclear power to replace it with coal and gas while running token amount of renewables which will never cover the base load (because the required amount of storage would be insane), is very much the dream of traditional coal, gas and oil industries. Yet the Germans argue it is the best way because "what about the waste?!!!111" It is a shame that whole country managed to get coopted, brainwashed and corrupted this way, especially since they try to push this evil on EU level as well, but it is what it is.

looping__lui 4y ago
Yes, except that political decision making doesn’t reflect public opinion. The majority wants nuclear power back.
- glogla 4y ago
  That I did not know.
- nailer 4y ago
  I believe you but have a citation? Thanks.
  - looping__lui 4y ago
    https://www.rnd.de/politik/atomkraft-in-deutschland-lautzeitverlaengerungen-bis-mindestens-sommer-2023-von-mehrheit-der-XFM6JMYQ3RD6FJTAOCGYTZXEQU.html?outputType=valid_amp https://www.rnd.de/politik/atomkraft-in-deutschland-lautzeit... https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/atom-umfrage-41-prozent-der-deutschen-wollen-neubau-von-kernkraftwerken-a-a44d8513-89b3-4243-aeb5-609edf2be9f6 https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/atom-umfrage-41-prozent-der-... https://www.tech-for-future.de/atomkraft-umfrage/ https://www.tech-for-future.de/atomkraft-umfrage/
unglaublich 4y ago
All the while the millions of yearly deaths directly caused by air pollution of fossil fuels are waved away.
locallost 4y ago
Stop spreading disinformation. Germany not only switched off nuclear plants but reduced its coal use drastically compared to levels 10 years ago. I've posted data on this a billion times, and am too lazy to do it now -- checking the actual data for once before posting an opinion should not be too difficult. Sorry, but this is beyond pitiful.
- herewulf 4y ago
  How is that reduced coal use going right now? And next winter?
  - locallost 4y ago
    It's going as well as it did. Stop reading headlines with agendas and look at the data. Start here: https://mobile.twitter.com/CoalFreeDave/status/1620360558255181824 https://mobile.twitter.com/CoalFreeDave/status/1620360558255...
- mpweiher 4y ago
  Stop spreading disinformation. Reduction has been minimal, and now that we no longer have the Russian gas that we used to substitute coal, we are turning coal plants back on. While at the same time shutting down clean nuclear. The mind boggles. Go to https://www.electricitymaps.com https://www.electricitymaps.com On almost every day, Germany is the 2nd least green country in Europe, only after Poland. In 2014, Germany was the largest producer of CO2 emissions in Europe, by a wide margin. https://gefira.org/en/2015/12/15/germany-the-largest-co2-emissions-producer-in-europe/ https://gefira.org/en/2015/12/15/germany-the-largest-co2-emi...
  - locallost 4y ago
    Here are the official data related to electricity production https://www.umweltbundesamt.de/sites/default/files/medien/384/bilder/3_abb_bruttostromerzeugung-et_2022-12-16.png https://www.umweltbundesamt.de/sites/default/files/medien/38... Coal are the bottom two things on the chart (brown and gray). Drastically down. Gas use percentage wise is pretty much the same as 10 years ago. Obviously you're making things up. Germany is also not turning coal plants back on: there were about a dozen coal plants put on stand by this year as an emergency, but they mostly stayed off. The funny part is that the emergency was mostly related to the collapse of nuclear in France where most of the surrounding countries suddenly needed to support it. But in the end renewables made up most of the difference. Here's a Twitter thread with the data https://mobile.twitter.com/CoalFreeDave/status/1620360558255181824 https://mobile.twitter.com/CoalFreeDave/status/1620360558255... Europe needs to get off fossil fuels and it's about to do that really fast. Unnecessary hurdles were removed to make renewable deployment easier. As a consequence there's been a huge uptick in nuclear lobbying and astroturfing - this industry is scared it's about to be made officially irrelevant. All sort of plans are being made but there will be so much new renewable generation by the time this plans are finalized, let alone the decades it will take to get anything done with nuclear, that it will not matter at all.
pjmlp 4y ago
The worst part is how everyone is allowed to block deployment of renewable energies like the Windmills, because it is not nice for the landscape, it is noisy or whatever. In other EU countries it is done, period, no one gets asked for their opinion.