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I haven't seen most of these as news stories, where do you learn about what's going on?

moose_man 4y ago
Here (This happened in late January, but Japanese scientists recently figured out what happened) https://www.thedailybeast.com/chinese-satellite-likely-shot-green-laser-wall-over-hawaii https://www.thedailybeast.com/chinese-satellite-likely-shot-... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-12/japan-says-chinese-navy-ship-entered-its-waters-early-sunday https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-12/japan-say... Plus the downing over Alaska and Canada
- bushbaba 4y ago
  War with china will make Covid look like happy times. Really hope xi backs down a bit.
  - wolverine876 4y ago
    The US and China are nowhere near a state of war. The balloons have nothing to do with a state of war. Xi can keep doing exactly what Xi is doing, and there won't be a war. China would have to escalate dramatically.
    - roflyear 4y ago
      You or no other person on HN is the authority on this either way. Unless you're one of like 30 people in the US.
      - wolverine876 4y ago
        Do you have any evidence that it's connected to a war? I'm not an expert, but I do read them quite a bit. Zero experts are saying that these events have anything to do warfare between the US and China. Can you point one out who does say it?
        rlt 4y ago
        10 seconds of Googling: https://www.memri.org/reports/april-2022-paper-chinas-peoples-liberation-army-military-can-use-balloons-test-enemy-air https://www.memri.org/reports/april-2022-paper-chinas-people...
        wolverine876 4y ago
        That's from April 2022. Whatever they were talking about, it wasn't the balloons.
        rlt 4y ago
        Huh? This paper by the PLA discussed possible military applications a year before these showed up and you think they’re unrelated?
        wolverine876 4y ago
        It wasn't these balloons; it's not evidence of a war. Every major country has a military with various programs.
        filoleg 4y ago
        I am not trying to throw around "fake news" accusations, but linking a Memri article as a proof of something might not be as convincing as you think. Memri is extremely notorious for posting english translations of their articles that are often not only inaccurate, but distort what was actually said to mean something entirely different. There is a massive "Translation accuracy and controversy" section on their wikipedia page dedicated just to that. Sidenote, they are also a source of some of the most genuinely hilarious and deranged quotes (or rather, translation of thereof) that I've ever heard on TV. A guest going on about the grand conspiracy of Spongebob (yes, the nickelodeon tv show) being the tool of Israel to turn children gay was something else[1]. 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_Media_Research_Institute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_Media_Research_Ins... 1. https://youtu.be/cQbNNkemR2s https://youtu.be/cQbNNkemR2s
    - tekknik 4y ago
      The sane thing to do here is assume this is an attack, or precursor to an attack. Don’t follow up with force, yet. However there’s no reason the balloons should’ve been here in the first place. Telling people not to be concerned of Chinese balloons entering another countries airspace, especially the US, makes you look odd to say the least. Are you Chinese?
      - wolverine876 4y ago
        > The sane thing to do here is assume this is an attack, or precursor to an attack. What makes that sane, if it's absolutely false, a waste of resources, creates panic in the public, and increases the risk of escalation? It's far, far out of the realm of possibility. China doesn't have nearly the resources to attack the continental US. They generally aren't believed to have the resources yet to attack Taiwan, 100 miles away. If they had the resources, an attack would require a massive buildup and positioning of those resources; it could not be missed. Major wars don't start by surprise. Look at the buildup required by Russia to attack Ukraine, a much smaller country right on its border. China has shown zero interest in attacking the US. Anyone who is saying otherwise, you've learned something about: They are full of crap. > Telling people not to be concerned of Chinese balloons entering another countries airspace, especially the US, makes you look odd to say the least. Maybe odd to you, but not to most people, nor to anyone who knows what they are talking about. But if you say I'm odd, you're the expert! > Are you Chinese? This violates HN's guidelines. Calling people names demonstrates that you have nothing better to say.
        tekknik 4y ago
        > What makes that sane, if it's absolutely false, a waste of resources, creates panic in the public, and increases the risk of escalation? Because it will not lead to an escalation, retaliation or public panic in this case. Do you realize how many times per day the DEFCON level is raised on various bases within US soil? The public does not know, therefore will not panic. Do you also believe there is not an aircraft carrier within close proximity of China currently? Would this not lead to an escalation? That's SOP, put a ship off the coast of any country doing questionable things to the mainland. Would that not lead to an escalation? > China doesn't have nearly the resources to attack the continental US. You say this but then you contradict yourself. If they don't have the resources to attack, then right now is the perfect time to show we mean business. > If they had the resources, an attack would require a massive buildup and positioning of those resources; it could not be missed. This is ignorant. North Korea hides an entire nuclear testing facility inside a mountain and you don't believe China has the resources to hide their national security interests? > Major wars don't start by surprise. Look at the buildup required by Russia to attack Ukraine, a much smaller country right on its border. Nobody has said such a thing. A precursor to an attack does not mean an attack is imminent. It means instead they are checking current defenses to keep up to date for a future attack. > China has shown zero interest in attacking the US. They've only threatened to march on the US with the largest standing army the world has ever seen. Additionally why check US defenses? What's the point of a country checking the defenses of another if they have no intent on attacking ever? You don't probe an attacking countries mainland defenses when planning to defend. > Maybe odd to you, but not to most people, nor to anyone who knows what they are talking about. But if you say I'm odd, you're the expert! You claim I'm not the expert, does this mean you believe you are? We both know that anybody actually involved in the planning and discussion of these events that will have any effect on its outcome would not be on HN discussing it. So you're not an expert either. What I am, however, is ex-military. They certainly do train military on such things. What are your credentials? Have you polled people to determine their position on these events? How did you come up with the non-number "most people"? > This violates HN's guidelines. Calling people names demonstrates that you have nothing better to say. Hardly, point to the rule where asking someone's ethnicity is against the rules. The fact is there are Chinese operatives all over American social media and forums attempting to sway public interest, and you sound exactly like one. So again, are you Chinese?
MonkeyMalarky 4y ago
It's sort of everywhere, by the time you find out there's already memes even: https://imgur.com/gallery/tBc4adN https://imgur.com/gallery/tBc4adN
xook 4y ago
Not OP, but I tend to use multiple sources via RSS. Iirc, Live Science covered the laser Hawaii one, and then the balloon stuff I either see on [there], here, or on social media elsewhere (or through friends). RSS is the primary candidate through it all, though. Keeps everything relatively organized.
Karrot_Kream 4y ago
NOTAMs and TFRs are easy to find online and not too hard to learn how to read.

Here (This happened in late January, but Japanese scientists recently figured out what happened) https://www.thedailybeast.com/chinese-satellite-likely-shot-green-laser-wall-over-hawaii https://www.thedailybeast.com/chinese-satellite-likely-shot-... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-12/japan-says-chinese-navy-ship-entered-its-waters-early-sunday https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-12/japan-say... Plus the downing over Alaska and Canada

bushbaba 4y ago
War with china will make Covid look like happy times. Really hope xi backs down a bit.
- wolverine876 4y ago
  The US and China are nowhere near a state of war. The balloons have nothing to do with a state of war. Xi can keep doing exactly what Xi is doing, and there won't be a war. China would have to escalate dramatically.
  - roflyear 4y ago
    You or no other person on HN is the authority on this either way. Unless you're one of like 30 people in the US.
    - wolverine876 4y ago
      Do you have any evidence that it's connected to a war? I'm not an expert, but I do read them quite a bit. Zero experts are saying that these events have anything to do warfare between the US and China. Can you point one out who does say it?
      - rlt 4y ago
        10 seconds of Googling: https://www.memri.org/reports/april-2022-paper-chinas-peoples-liberation-army-military-can-use-balloons-test-enemy-air https://www.memri.org/reports/april-2022-paper-chinas-people...
        wolverine876 4y ago
        That's from April 2022. Whatever they were talking about, it wasn't the balloons.
        rlt 4y ago
        Huh? This paper by the PLA discussed possible military applications a year before these showed up and you think they’re unrelated?
        wolverine876 4y ago
        It wasn't these balloons; it's not evidence of a war. Every major country has a military with various programs.
        filoleg 4y ago
        I am not trying to throw around "fake news" accusations, but linking a Memri article as a proof of something might not be as convincing as you think. Memri is extremely notorious for posting english translations of their articles that are often not only inaccurate, but distort what was actually said to mean something entirely different. There is a massive "Translation accuracy and controversy" section on their wikipedia page dedicated just to that. Sidenote, they are also a source of some of the most genuinely hilarious and deranged quotes (or rather, translation of thereof) that I've ever heard on TV. A guest going on about the grand conspiracy of Spongebob (yes, the nickelodeon tv show) being the tool of Israel to turn children gay was something else[1]. 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_Media_Research_Institute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_Media_Research_Ins... 1. https://youtu.be/cQbNNkemR2s https://youtu.be/cQbNNkemR2s
  - tekknik 4y ago
    The sane thing to do here is assume this is an attack, or precursor to an attack. Don’t follow up with force, yet. However there’s no reason the balloons should’ve been here in the first place. Telling people not to be concerned of Chinese balloons entering another countries airspace, especially the US, makes you look odd to say the least. Are you Chinese?
    - wolverine876 4y ago
      > The sane thing to do here is assume this is an attack, or precursor to an attack. What makes that sane, if it's absolutely false, a waste of resources, creates panic in the public, and increases the risk of escalation? It's far, far out of the realm of possibility. China doesn't have nearly the resources to attack the continental US. They generally aren't believed to have the resources yet to attack Taiwan, 100 miles away. If they had the resources, an attack would require a massive buildup and positioning of those resources; it could not be missed. Major wars don't start by surprise. Look at the buildup required by Russia to attack Ukraine, a much smaller country right on its border. China has shown zero interest in attacking the US. Anyone who is saying otherwise, you've learned something about: They are full of crap. > Telling people not to be concerned of Chinese balloons entering another countries airspace, especially the US, makes you look odd to say the least. Maybe odd to you, but not to most people, nor to anyone who knows what they are talking about. But if you say I'm odd, you're the expert! > Are you Chinese? This violates HN's guidelines. Calling people names demonstrates that you have nothing better to say.
      - tekknik 4y ago
        > What makes that sane, if it's absolutely false, a waste of resources, creates panic in the public, and increases the risk of escalation? Because it will not lead to an escalation, retaliation or public panic in this case. Do you realize how many times per day the DEFCON level is raised on various bases within US soil? The public does not know, therefore will not panic. Do you also believe there is not an aircraft carrier within close proximity of China currently? Would this not lead to an escalation? That's SOP, put a ship off the coast of any country doing questionable things to the mainland. Would that not lead to an escalation? > China doesn't have nearly the resources to attack the continental US. You say this but then you contradict yourself. If they don't have the resources to attack, then right now is the perfect time to show we mean business. > If they had the resources, an attack would require a massive buildup and positioning of those resources; it could not be missed. This is ignorant. North Korea hides an entire nuclear testing facility inside a mountain and you don't believe China has the resources to hide their national security interests? > Major wars don't start by surprise. Look at the buildup required by Russia to attack Ukraine, a much smaller country right on its border. Nobody has said such a thing. A precursor to an attack does not mean an attack is imminent. It means instead they are checking current defenses to keep up to date for a future attack. > China has shown zero interest in attacking the US. They've only threatened to march on the US with the largest standing army the world has ever seen. Additionally why check US defenses? What's the point of a country checking the defenses of another if they have no intent on attacking ever? You don't probe an attacking countries mainland defenses when planning to defend. > Maybe odd to you, but not to most people, nor to anyone who knows what they are talking about. But if you say I'm odd, you're the expert! You claim I'm not the expert, does this mean you believe you are? We both know that anybody actually involved in the planning and discussion of these events that will have any effect on its outcome would not be on HN discussing it. So you're not an expert either. What I am, however, is ex-military. They certainly do train military on such things. What are your credentials? Have you polled people to determine their position on these events? How did you come up with the non-number "most people"? > This violates HN's guidelines. Calling people names demonstrates that you have nothing better to say. Hardly, point to the rule where asking someone's ethnicity is against the rules. The fact is there are Chinese operatives all over American social media and forums attempting to sway public interest, and you sound exactly like one. So again, are you Chinese?

MonkeyMalarky 4y ago

It's sort of everywhere, by the time you find out there's already memes even: https://imgur.com/gallery/tBc4adN https://imgur.com/gallery/tBc4adN

xook 4y ago

Not OP, but I tend to use multiple sources via RSS. Iirc, Live Science covered the laser Hawaii one, and then the balloon stuff I either see on [there], here, or on social media elsewhere (or through friends). RSS is the primary candidate through it all, though. Keeps everything relatively organized.

Karrot_Kream 4y ago

NOTAMs and TFRs are easy to find online and not too hard to learn how to read.