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I’ve seen a handful of national media outlets cover it without paying any particular attention. What level of attention should this story be getting?

s5300 4y ago
Given the fact it’s going to affect things downstream & across state lines… probably at least the level that “Chinese spy balloons” are getting. Might hinge on how bad the first impending acid rain ends up being. I think Jackson Mississippi still doesn’t have clean water, & you haven’t seen that in any headlines for quite some time. Most things that actually matter don’t get very good news coverage, lest people become concerned about how hard they’re being swindled by corporations. Ohio just got completely swindled by JD Vance, so nobody should be surprised when bad things continue to happen to the general populace with zero accountability from those causing it. Also, keep in mind that this is the land of a river (Cuyahoga aka Cleveland) catching on fire at least 15 times. Environmental disasters with no accountability are our groove.
- auctoritas 4y ago
  How does JD Vance have anything to do with this
  - User23 4y ago
    Here’s my attempt at a steel man: JD Vance is one of the bad guys on the bad guys team. Whenever bad things happen it’s the bad guys’ fault. I’m aware that sounds like a pretty poor alloy, but it’s internally consistent, matches the observables, and I can’t really honestly do better. Edit: The point of this is to explain what this derailment has to do with JD Vance. Any reply that fails to explain why JD Vance is somehow personally involved is failing to do better than the offered steel man. Just generally supporting policies you disagree with merely makes him a bad guy. You do think he’s bad for supporting these policies you believe are bad right? Next you have to show that a freshman senator in the minority who’s been in office for a month is somehow responsible even indirectly. I’d like to see a better effort to steel man that than mine.
    - s5300 4y ago
      If bad guys are what you call politicians that repeatedly call to strike down industrial safety measures & corporate accountability, then I could perhaps say that you are on to something
      - User23 4y ago
        I wasn’t able to find anything about striking down industrial safety measures in JD Vance’s campaign platform or voting record. Can you? If not then what does this have to do with JD Vance?
    - SamBam 4y ago
      That's literally the opposite of a steel man argument.
    - emodendroket 4y ago
      If you were actually trying to "steel man" wouldn't you say "policies which make this type of industrial accident more likely" rather than "policies that are bad/you disagree with," which makes it sound childish and random?
      - User23 4y ago
        I can’t find any evidence of JD Vance supporting such policies in either his platform or his voting record. I don’t think just making things up counts as steel manning. Incidentally, in the USA Congress has delegated the power to regulate rail safety to the Executive branch which last I knew was controlled by the Good Guys. So I’m really at a loss how to show that this has anything to do with a freshman senator in the minority. I begin to think nobody else knows how to either. The miasma theory of Vance’s affiliation with the Bad Guys somehow making bad things happen in his state really is the best argument anyone has presented here.
        emodendroket 4y ago
        Spending a minute or two on a search I see that, on the basis of his likely environmental policies, he's been endorsed by Andrew Wheeler, formerly of the EPA (https://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/JD_Vance_Environment.htm https://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/JD_Vance_Environment.ht...). Let's see what he was up to while he was on the EPA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_R._Wheeler#EPA_administrator https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_R._Wheeler#EPA_administ... What do you know, slashing a bunch of environmental regulations. Did you come across this in your efforts to figure out how someone could possibly believe Vance would support deregulation on the environment?
  - s5300 4y ago
    He’s a grifter pushing policies that lead to disasters like this. And a significant portion of Ohio roots for them. Surely you can understand the correlation between policies that take away safety measures for (marginal) profit increase & catastrophic disasters happening because of a lack of safety measures. https://www.levernews.com/rail-companies-blocked-safety-rules-before-ohio-derailment/ https://www.levernews.com/rail-companies-blocked-safety-rule... Nothing is going to change (in this case railway/environmental disasters) until lawmakers that care about implementing proper safety measures are elected. Or any sort of accountability at all.
SamBam 4y ago
I don't see it anywhere at all in the New York Times.
- culi 4y ago
  https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/04/us/train-derailment-fire-palestine-ohio.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/04/us/train-derailment-fire-... https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/08/us/ohio-train-derailment-reporter-arrested.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/08/us/ohio-train-derailment-...
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emodendroket 4y ago
I saw people on social media saying "wow this looks really bad" and had to put a fair amount of effort into finding stories on Apple News (where I usually read news stories) giving a rundown. Social media can certainly be prone to Chicken Little-ism but nobody seems to be questioning the line officials are giving here. If anything I think this might be a sign of how weak local news reporting has become. No doubt this would be of interest if it happened in the vicinity of New York City or Los Angeles.

s5300 4y ago

Given the fact it’s going to affect things downstream & across state lines… probably at least the level that “Chinese spy balloons” are getting. Might hinge on how bad the first impending acid rain ends up being. I think Jackson Mississippi still doesn’t have clean water, & you haven’t seen that in any headlines for quite some time. Most things that actually matter don’t get very good news coverage, lest people become concerned about how hard they’re being swindled by corporations. Ohio just got completely swindled by JD Vance, so nobody should be surprised when bad things continue to happen to the general populace with zero accountability from those causing it. Also, keep in mind that this is the land of a river (Cuyahoga aka Cleveland) catching on fire at least 15 times. Environmental disasters with no accountability are our groove.

auctoritas 4y ago
How does JD Vance have anything to do with this
- User23 4y ago
  Here’s my attempt at a steel man: JD Vance is one of the bad guys on the bad guys team. Whenever bad things happen it’s the bad guys’ fault. I’m aware that sounds like a pretty poor alloy, but it’s internally consistent, matches the observables, and I can’t really honestly do better. Edit: The point of this is to explain what this derailment has to do with JD Vance. Any reply that fails to explain why JD Vance is somehow personally involved is failing to do better than the offered steel man. Just generally supporting policies you disagree with merely makes him a bad guy. You do think he’s bad for supporting these policies you believe are bad right? Next you have to show that a freshman senator in the minority who’s been in office for a month is somehow responsible even indirectly. I’d like to see a better effort to steel man that than mine.
  - s5300 4y ago
    If bad guys are what you call politicians that repeatedly call to strike down industrial safety measures & corporate accountability, then I could perhaps say that you are on to something
    - User23 4y ago
      I wasn’t able to find anything about striking down industrial safety measures in JD Vance’s campaign platform or voting record. Can you? If not then what does this have to do with JD Vance?
  - SamBam 4y ago
    That's literally the opposite of a steel man argument.
  - emodendroket 4y ago
    If you were actually trying to "steel man" wouldn't you say "policies which make this type of industrial accident more likely" rather than "policies that are bad/you disagree with," which makes it sound childish and random?
    - User23 4y ago
      I can’t find any evidence of JD Vance supporting such policies in either his platform or his voting record. I don’t think just making things up counts as steel manning. Incidentally, in the USA Congress has delegated the power to regulate rail safety to the Executive branch which last I knew was controlled by the Good Guys. So I’m really at a loss how to show that this has anything to do with a freshman senator in the minority. I begin to think nobody else knows how to either. The miasma theory of Vance’s affiliation with the Bad Guys somehow making bad things happen in his state really is the best argument anyone has presented here.
      - emodendroket 4y ago
        Spending a minute or two on a search I see that, on the basis of his likely environmental policies, he's been endorsed by Andrew Wheeler, formerly of the EPA (https://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/JD_Vance_Environment.htm https://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/JD_Vance_Environment.ht...). Let's see what he was up to while he was on the EPA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_R._Wheeler#EPA_administrator https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_R._Wheeler#EPA_administ... What do you know, slashing a bunch of environmental regulations. Did you come across this in your efforts to figure out how someone could possibly believe Vance would support deregulation on the environment?
- s5300 4y ago
  He’s a grifter pushing policies that lead to disasters like this. And a significant portion of Ohio roots for them. Surely you can understand the correlation between policies that take away safety measures for (marginal) profit increase & catastrophic disasters happening because of a lack of safety measures. https://www.levernews.com/rail-companies-blocked-safety-rules-before-ohio-derailment/ https://www.levernews.com/rail-companies-blocked-safety-rule... Nothing is going to change (in this case railway/environmental disasters) until lawmakers that care about implementing proper safety measures are elected. Or any sort of accountability at all.

SamBam 4y ago

I don't see it anywhere at all in the New York Times.

culi 4y ago
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/04/us/train-derailment-fire-palestine-ohio.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/04/us/train-derailment-fire-... https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/08/us/ohio-train-derailment-reporter-arrested.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/08/us/ohio-train-derailment-...
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emodendroket 4y ago

I saw people on social media saying "wow this looks really bad" and had to put a fair amount of effort into finding stories on Apple News (where I usually read news stories) giving a rundown. Social media can certainly be prone to Chicken Little-ism but nobody seems to be questioning the line officials are giving here. If anything I think this might be a sign of how weak local news reporting has become. No doubt this would be of interest if it happened in the vicinity of New York City or Los Angeles.