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There's a lot of, to my read, stupid bureaucratic stuff in there, like about the penalties. Are all of the notams like this? I would have expected that they wer

There's a lot of, to my read, stupid bureaucratic stuff in there, like about the penalties. Are all of the notams like this? I would have expected that they were effectively mandatory by virtue of being issued and didn't need all the stupid warnings

tjohns 4y ago
There are many different reasons a TFR can be issued, with varying levels of restrictions and penalties. Some you can fly through if you follow the right procedures, others are effectively off limits. Some you'll get your license suspended for flying through, others you risk being shot down. The formatting could definitely be improved, but they do indeed need to clarify the nature of the restrictions since every TFR is unique.
graphe 4y ago
America does not follow the law. Americans do not follow the law. They may decide to risk it and the punishments are clearly laid out for the enterprising lawbreaker or journalist.
- anigbrowl 4y ago
  True, but this approach of posting things in exhaustive detail everywhere from city parks to the sky is (imho) part of why people don't follow the laws. There are too many of them, and only austistic nerds like myself read all of that shit. The actual information here could be summarized as 'WARNING: AS OF (time), ALL AVIATORS MUST KEEP OUT OF (zone) DUE TO A NATIONAL DEFENSE ALERT, INCIDENT #####. WE WILL SHOOT YOUR DUMB ASS.'
  - graphe 4y ago
    I don’t disagree. Guessing it’s their logic because they’re bureaucratic, but you’re right. Nobody can follow the law if they don’t understand the law.
  - tjohns 4y ago
    If you're a pilot, you read all of this (or at least skim it for the important details, then decide if the rest is relevant). It's part of the training. Compared to what you have to memorize from the FARs to get even the most basic pilot license, it's not that bad. Yes, it could be formatted better, but the details matter. Some TFRs you can fly through with special procedures, some you can't. Even this one has a carveout for air ambulance flights, for example.

tjohns 4y ago

There are many different reasons a TFR can be issued, with varying levels of restrictions and penalties. Some you can fly through if you follow the right procedures, others are effectively off limits. Some you'll get your license suspended for flying through, others you risk being shot down. The formatting could definitely be improved, but they do indeed need to clarify the nature of the restrictions since every TFR is unique.

graphe 4y ago

America does not follow the law. Americans do not follow the law. They may decide to risk it and the punishments are clearly laid out for the enterprising lawbreaker or journalist.

anigbrowl 4y ago
True, but this approach of posting things in exhaustive detail everywhere from city parks to the sky is (imho) part of why people don't follow the laws. There are too many of them, and only austistic nerds like myself read all of that shit. The actual information here could be summarized as 'WARNING: AS OF (time), ALL AVIATORS MUST KEEP OUT OF (zone) DUE TO A NATIONAL DEFENSE ALERT, INCIDENT #####. WE WILL SHOOT YOUR DUMB ASS.'
- graphe 4y ago
  I don’t disagree. Guessing it’s their logic because they’re bureaucratic, but you’re right. Nobody can follow the law if they don’t understand the law.
- tjohns 4y ago
  If you're a pilot, you read all of this (or at least skim it for the important details, then decide if the rest is relevant). It's part of the training. Compared to what you have to memorize from the FARs to get even the most basic pilot license, it's not that bad. Yes, it could be formatted better, but the details matter. Some TFRs you can fly through with special procedures, some you can't. Even this one has a carveout for air ambulance flights, for example.