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Steve Jobs showcased the mobile web when he introduced iPhone and mobile Safari. Maybe it was someone else's initiative, but he introduced it, and Apple made it

Steve Jobs showcased the mobile web when he introduced iPhone and mobile Safari. Maybe it was someone else's initiative, but he introduced it, and Apple made it possible. I don't think anyone cares about bandwidth of a website anymore, yet we're still stuck with it.

tinus_hn 4y ago
Actually Jobs showcased ‘rather than this WAP version of the site we’re showing you the whole New York Times website’ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e7EfxMOElBE https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e7EfxMOElBE Around the 1 hour mark
- Maursault 4y ago
  Well, you're right. He couldn't introduce the mobile web because there weren't any sites that offered a non-WAP mobile version, because no one could be surfing with mobile Safari when iPhone was first announced. But it was still Apple and web developers that caused this third Internet scourge, the mobile web, after the first two Internet scourges of Flash and Javascript. It's understandable that a mobile user may want to conserve their data using the mobile versions of websites. What is anathema is Apple giving web developers the ability to force mobile site versions for mobile devices even after the user intentionally chooses to view the desktop site. A lot of sites won't respect that choice without something like &desktop=1 attached to the URL, and often as not even with it. Imgur is one that even if you do get the desktop site to load initially, it will immediately go back to the mobile site once you click to another Imgur page. Slashdot, also, makes it a real pain to not view the mobile version from a device.
  - tinus_hn 4y ago
    It’s Steve Jobs’ fault because he offered a browser. Right. I suggest you try implementing your handwavy solutions so you can see how well they work.
    - Maursault 4y ago
      I'm not sure if you're missing the fact that when Apple released the iPhone in 2007, they also released web developer code to create html "apps," but also released mobile Safari specific html that, in effect, created the mobile web. What I'm griping about is that the mobile web is an annoying and dysfunctional Third Scourge of the Internet. You seem to think it had nothing to do with Apple, but Apple unleashed it on the World Wide Web, and Steve Jobs ran Apple at the time. Did you not know the source of the mobile web? Apple under Steve Jobs is where it crawled out from under.
      - tinus_hn 4y ago
        Apple did not release that, it was third party. The notion that in allowing the web to be used on phones Apple became responsible for all web apps faults is ridiculous.
        Maursault 4y ago
        You are mistaken. Apple ushered in the mobile web. It was Apple's solution to the delay of the iPhone SDK: Web Apps.[1] That is exactly what created the non-WAP mobile web, which began in 2007 coinciding with the announcement and release of the first iPhone. What third party could have such influence over the entire WWW? None. It was Apple, it was only Apple, and it was entirely Apple that created the non-WAP mobile web that everyone loathes. Every mobile web site uses the tools that Apple created for web apps. And they all look the same. [1] https://9to5mac.com/2021/06/03/remembering-apples-sweet-solution-for-iphone-apps-before-the-app-store/ https://9to5mac.com/2021/06/03/remembering-apples-sweet-solu...
        tinus_hn 4y ago
        This is just ridiculous. No mobile web site ‘uses the tools that Apple created’ as these mere samples were barely functional and showed controls that were superseded in iOS 7, almost a decade ago. That article you quickly googled is whining about how Apple promoted web apps as a stopgap solution because they didn’t want or couldn’t allow third party native apps, and the jailbreak community did a lot of the hard work. It doesn’t say Apple created web apps, Steve Jobs is to be held responsible for mobile web apps or whatever your ridiculous claims are. Oh and there’s approximately 0 people loathing the fact that the WAP mobile web no longer exists and has been replaced by the current web apps. It stunk, nobody used it because it was useless.

tinus_hn 4y ago

Actually Jobs showcased ‘rather than this WAP version of the site we’re showing you the whole New York Times website’ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e7EfxMOElBE https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e7EfxMOElBE Around the 1 hour mark

Maursault 4y ago
Well, you're right. He couldn't introduce the mobile web because there weren't any sites that offered a non-WAP mobile version, because no one could be surfing with mobile Safari when iPhone was first announced. But it was still Apple and web developers that caused this third Internet scourge, the mobile web, after the first two Internet scourges of Flash and Javascript. It's understandable that a mobile user may want to conserve their data using the mobile versions of websites. What is anathema is Apple giving web developers the ability to force mobile site versions for mobile devices even after the user intentionally chooses to view the desktop site. A lot of sites won't respect that choice without something like &desktop=1 attached to the URL, and often as not even with it. Imgur is one that even if you do get the desktop site to load initially, it will immediately go back to the mobile site once you click to another Imgur page. Slashdot, also, makes it a real pain to not view the mobile version from a device.
- tinus_hn 4y ago
  It’s Steve Jobs’ fault because he offered a browser. Right. I suggest you try implementing your handwavy solutions so you can see how well they work.
  - Maursault 4y ago
    I'm not sure if you're missing the fact that when Apple released the iPhone in 2007, they also released web developer code to create html "apps," but also released mobile Safari specific html that, in effect, created the mobile web. What I'm griping about is that the mobile web is an annoying and dysfunctional Third Scourge of the Internet. You seem to think it had nothing to do with Apple, but Apple unleashed it on the World Wide Web, and Steve Jobs ran Apple at the time. Did you not know the source of the mobile web? Apple under Steve Jobs is where it crawled out from under.
    - tinus_hn 4y ago
      Apple did not release that, it was third party. The notion that in allowing the web to be used on phones Apple became responsible for all web apps faults is ridiculous.
      - Maursault 4y ago
        You are mistaken. Apple ushered in the mobile web. It was Apple's solution to the delay of the iPhone SDK: Web Apps.[1] That is exactly what created the non-WAP mobile web, which began in 2007 coinciding with the announcement and release of the first iPhone. What third party could have such influence over the entire WWW? None. It was Apple, it was only Apple, and it was entirely Apple that created the non-WAP mobile web that everyone loathes. Every mobile web site uses the tools that Apple created for web apps. And they all look the same. [1] https://9to5mac.com/2021/06/03/remembering-apples-sweet-solution-for-iphone-apps-before-the-app-store/ https://9to5mac.com/2021/06/03/remembering-apples-sweet-solu...
        tinus_hn 4y ago
        This is just ridiculous. No mobile web site ‘uses the tools that Apple created’ as these mere samples were barely functional and showed controls that were superseded in iOS 7, almost a decade ago. That article you quickly googled is whining about how Apple promoted web apps as a stopgap solution because they didn’t want or couldn’t allow third party native apps, and the jailbreak community did a lot of the hard work. It doesn’t say Apple created web apps, Steve Jobs is to be held responsible for mobile web apps or whatever your ridiculous claims are. Oh and there’s approximately 0 people loathing the fact that the WAP mobile web no longer exists and has been replaced by the current web apps. It stunk, nobody used it because it was useless.