6 ms·

The standard of care many americans get is already well below medieval standard (none)

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> standard of care many americans get is already well below medieval standard (none) This is nonsense. Emergency care, accessible to all, is practically magic compared to that time. And preventative care largely wasn’t a thing.
- kevviiinn 4y ago
  As long as you're okay with being bankrupt
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > long as you're okay with being bankrupt One, dead or debilitated versus bankrupt. Two, no: Medicaid, charity, et cetera. It’s not a good system. But comparing it to pre-medical care is stupid beyond belief.
    - kevviiinn 4y ago
      Charity and medicare don't cover everyone. There are people who make a little too much to get on medicare but are still close to the poverty line. Charity is wildly hit or miss with luck as the biggest factor
      - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
        > there are people who make a little too much to get on medicare but are still close to the poverty line Yet you're still going to pretend this is the same as nobody having medicine.
        kevviiinn 4y ago
        >nobody having medicine. As far as I can see, you're the only one making this statement
        JumpCrisscross 4y ago
        > you're the only one making this statement What do you think medieval medicine, which pre-dates even the germ theory, means?
        kevviiinn 4y ago
        I think you misread my original statement. I was arguing that emergency care is actually not accessible to all
- kerkeslager 4y ago
  > Emergency care, accessible to all, is practically magic compared to that time. The absolute minimum of emergency care which is actually available to all, by itself, is fairly useless show magic. If you've broken something, they don't have to do anything for you: I discovered this after breaking a bone in a different state from where I was insured. If the person is on the verge of dying, you only have to stabilize the person enough so they're not immediately dying, and you can kick them to the curb. > And preventative care largely wasn’t a thing. Preventative care largely isn't a thing for many Americans. Perhaps comparing to "medieval" standards is perhaps a bit too far, but the US healthcare system is indefensibly bad for many Americans. Third world countries have more available healthcare.
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > broken something, they don't have to do anything for you Usually, yes. I also have a friend who lost range of in a finger, a limitation which became apparent only a year after the fracture, due to a small mis-set. (It had to be surgically re-fractured.) > the US healthcare system is indefensibly bad for many Americans 100% agree.
- mushbino 4y ago
  No, it's true. The US has the worst and by far the most expensive healthcare outcomes in the developed world. Cuba has a higher life expectancy, lower infant mortality rate than the US, and generally better outcomes.
- pyuser583 4y ago
  I would argue preventative care was very much a thing in the Middle Ages. There was an idea that “virtue”/strength would prevent disease. Not unlike todays health obsessed people. “Virtue” literally means “manliness”. There’s a quote about how “a warriors strength in battle has come to mean a woman’s abstinence in bed” - but I don’t know the source.

> standard of care many americans get is already well below medieval standard (none) This is nonsense. Emergency care, accessible to all, is practically magic compared to that time. And preventative care largely wasn’t a thing.

kevviiinn 4y ago
As long as you're okay with being bankrupt
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > long as you're okay with being bankrupt One, dead or debilitated versus bankrupt. Two, no: Medicaid, charity, et cetera. It’s not a good system. But comparing it to pre-medical care is stupid beyond belief.
  - kevviiinn 4y ago
    Charity and medicare don't cover everyone. There are people who make a little too much to get on medicare but are still close to the poverty line. Charity is wildly hit or miss with luck as the biggest factor
    - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
      > there are people who make a little too much to get on medicare but are still close to the poverty line Yet you're still going to pretend this is the same as nobody having medicine.
      - kevviiinn 4y ago
        >nobody having medicine. As far as I can see, you're the only one making this statement
        JumpCrisscross 4y ago
        > you're the only one making this statement What do you think medieval medicine, which pre-dates even the germ theory, means?
        kevviiinn 4y ago
        I think you misread my original statement. I was arguing that emergency care is actually not accessible to all
kerkeslager 4y ago
> Emergency care, accessible to all, is practically magic compared to that time. The absolute minimum of emergency care which is actually available to all, by itself, is fairly useless show magic. If you've broken something, they don't have to do anything for you: I discovered this after breaking a bone in a different state from where I was insured. If the person is on the verge of dying, you only have to stabilize the person enough so they're not immediately dying, and you can kick them to the curb. > And preventative care largely wasn’t a thing. Preventative care largely isn't a thing for many Americans. Perhaps comparing to "medieval" standards is perhaps a bit too far, but the US healthcare system is indefensibly bad for many Americans. Third world countries have more available healthcare.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > broken something, they don't have to do anything for you Usually, yes. I also have a friend who lost range of in a finger, a limitation which became apparent only a year after the fracture, due to a small mis-set. (It had to be surgically re-fractured.) > the US healthcare system is indefensibly bad for many Americans 100% agree.
mushbino 4y ago
No, it's true. The US has the worst and by far the most expensive healthcare outcomes in the developed world. Cuba has a higher life expectancy, lower infant mortality rate than the US, and generally better outcomes.
pyuser583 4y ago
I would argue preventative care was very much a thing in the Middle Ages. There was an idea that “virtue”/strength would prevent disease. Not unlike todays health obsessed people. “Virtue” literally means “manliness”. There’s a quote about how “a warriors strength in battle has come to mean a woman’s abstinence in bed” - but I don’t know the source.