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> That's useless for comparisons though. Musk lost billions of dollars when Tesla's share price dropped, we should all pitch in and help him out, because we did

> That's useless for comparisons though. Musk lost billions of dollars when Tesla's share price dropped, we should all pitch in and help him out, because we didn't lose billions of dollars and are therefore much better off, right? This makes no sense. > I don't believe that was the intended message of the comment I replied to, but even if it was because strange ideas: China easily tops the US, and so does Russia. As for Russia, just in terms of military (if that’s what you are referring to): One illegal invasion right now. An incursion into Georgia. The wars in Chechnya. America on the other hand has Iraq and Afghanistan as the most recent wars, and in general it seems that it is easier to count the number of years that the US has not been at war than to count the years where they have. So I think the world’s largest military which is also used in an offensive capacity wins here. As for China I will probably have to concede the win in case you are referring to the Uyghurs, because the number of Uyghurs in concentration camps worse than Auschwitz must surely number in the hundreds of millions now, if the rhetoric of the anti-China crowd is any indication.

luckylion 4y ago
> This makes no sense. If you don't take population into the comparison of absolute numbers, you're not learning anything. The same applies to monetary losses. If you don't take the total amount of dollars invested into account, "dollar amount lost" is useless. Two people could lose $1000 each, one has a billion dollar, the other one has 1001. Are they equally affected? > As for China I will probably have to concede the win in case you are referring to the Uyghurs, because the number of Uyghurs in concentration camps worse than Auschwitz must surely number in the hundreds of millions now, if the rhetoric of the anti-China crowd is any indication. You don't need to. China's prison population is equal to that of the US, excluding the Uigurs. Include those and it doubles it. And from what is known, China is a lot harder on their prisoners than the US. I've never understood tankies that go to insane lengths to justify and defend ex-communist countries, while they'll equally claim that "it wasn't real communism". Why defend it then?
- avgcorrection 4y ago
  > You don't need to. China's prison population is equal to that of the US, excluding the Uigurs. Include those and it doubles it. And from what is known, China is a lot harder on their prisoners than the US. So less prisoners per capita. > I've never understood tankies that go to insane lengths to justify and defend ex-communist countries, while they'll equally claim that "it wasn't real communism". Why defend it then? Am I supposed to answer this?
  - luckylion 4y ago
    > So less prisoners per capita. Aha, suddenly you want to go all "per capita" instead of "total amount"? Yeah, I think we've reached the end here. If I bring up North Korea again, you'll say "yeah, but it's less in total amount" and we'll just spin in circles. Again, I don't get it. I'd love to understand what can be done to get people to not hold on to some ideology for dear life, but I guess you can't ask a fish why he has gills.
    - avgcorrection 4y ago
      > Aha, suddenly you want to go all "per capita" instead of "total amount"? Yeah, I think we've reached the end here. If I bring up North Korea again, you'll say "yeah, but it's less in total amount" and we'll just spin in circles. My mistake. I forgot the thread for a moment. > Again, I don't get it. I'd love to understand what can be done to get people to not hold on to some ideology for dear life, but I guess you can't ask a fish why he has gills. You don’t know what my ideology is.

luckylion 4y ago

> This makes no sense. If you don't take population into the comparison of absolute numbers, you're not learning anything. The same applies to monetary losses. If you don't take the total amount of dollars invested into account, "dollar amount lost" is useless. Two people could lose $1000 each, one has a billion dollar, the other one has 1001. Are they equally affected? > As for China I will probably have to concede the win in case you are referring to the Uyghurs, because the number of Uyghurs in concentration camps worse than Auschwitz must surely number in the hundreds of millions now, if the rhetoric of the anti-China crowd is any indication. You don't need to. China's prison population is equal to that of the US, excluding the Uigurs. Include those and it doubles it. And from what is known, China is a lot harder on their prisoners than the US. I've never understood tankies that go to insane lengths to justify and defend ex-communist countries, while they'll equally claim that "it wasn't real communism". Why defend it then?

avgcorrection 4y ago
> You don't need to. China's prison population is equal to that of the US, excluding the Uigurs. Include those and it doubles it. And from what is known, China is a lot harder on their prisoners than the US. So less prisoners per capita. > I've never understood tankies that go to insane lengths to justify and defend ex-communist countries, while they'll equally claim that "it wasn't real communism". Why defend it then? Am I supposed to answer this?
- luckylion 4y ago
  > So less prisoners per capita. Aha, suddenly you want to go all "per capita" instead of "total amount"? Yeah, I think we've reached the end here. If I bring up North Korea again, you'll say "yeah, but it's less in total amount" and we'll just spin in circles. Again, I don't get it. I'd love to understand what can be done to get people to not hold on to some ideology for dear life, but I guess you can't ask a fish why he has gills.
  - avgcorrection 4y ago
    > Aha, suddenly you want to go all "per capita" instead of "total amount"? Yeah, I think we've reached the end here. If I bring up North Korea again, you'll say "yeah, but it's less in total amount" and we'll just spin in circles. My mistake. I forgot the thread for a moment. > Again, I don't get it. I'd love to understand what can be done to get people to not hold on to some ideology for dear life, but I guess you can't ask a fish why he has gills. You don’t know what my ideology is.