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That's useless for comparisons though. Musk lost billions of dollars when Tesla's share price dropped, we should all pitch in and help him out, because we didn'

That's useless for comparisons though. Musk lost billions of dollars when Tesla's share price dropped, we should all pitch in and help him out, because we didn't lose billions of dollars and are therefore much better off, right? If only we were able to look at relative things to find out if that's true. I don't believe that was the intended message of the comment I replied to, but even if it was because strange ideas: China easily tops the US, and so does Russia.

whitemary 4y ago
Can you cite actual studies that show China tops the US in child poverty or child hunger? I highly doubt this is the case, but I'm quite confident we do not have any reason to believe one way or the other. The Soviet Union absolutely had less child poverty and hunger, but of course the (many) western definitions of poverty cannot apply. We do straightforwardly know, however, that the Soviet Union did not tolerate any homelessness while the United States has a growing child homelessness problem with no solution in sight.
- dmoy 4y ago
  World bank, etc. Keep in mind that there's ~150 million people in China who subsist on less than ~$3/day or whatever. Even accounting for cheaper standard of living (4x ppp in China) it's cripplingly poor by US poverty rates. It's the equivalent of living on like $4k USD. Idk if you've been to rural China at all, but shit is way different there still. When we define the US federal poverty line it's at minimum like $12k for an individual, even in the cheapest areas. That's 3x higher than the poverty line for data you see coming out of China.
- luckylion 4y ago
  > The Soviet Union absolutely had less child poverty and hunger You mean after they've let a few millions starve here and there? Holy fuck, the insanity.
  - whitemary 4y ago
    Obviously you lack even have the slightest clue how much blood is on the hands of the US empire. There is simply no comparison.
avgcorrection 4y ago
> That's useless for comparisons though. Musk lost billions of dollars when Tesla's share price dropped, we should all pitch in and help him out, because we didn't lose billions of dollars and are therefore much better off, right? This makes no sense. > I don't believe that was the intended message of the comment I replied to, but even if it was because strange ideas: China easily tops the US, and so does Russia. As for Russia, just in terms of military (if that’s what you are referring to): One illegal invasion right now. An incursion into Georgia. The wars in Chechnya. America on the other hand has Iraq and Afghanistan as the most recent wars, and in general it seems that it is easier to count the number of years that the US has not been at war than to count the years where they have. So I think the world’s largest military which is also used in an offensive capacity wins here. As for China I will probably have to concede the win in case you are referring to the Uyghurs, because the number of Uyghurs in concentration camps worse than Auschwitz must surely number in the hundreds of millions now, if the rhetoric of the anti-China crowd is any indication.
- luckylion 4y ago
  > This makes no sense. If you don't take population into the comparison of absolute numbers, you're not learning anything. The same applies to monetary losses. If you don't take the total amount of dollars invested into account, "dollar amount lost" is useless. Two people could lose $1000 each, one has a billion dollar, the other one has 1001. Are they equally affected? > As for China I will probably have to concede the win in case you are referring to the Uyghurs, because the number of Uyghurs in concentration camps worse than Auschwitz must surely number in the hundreds of millions now, if the rhetoric of the anti-China crowd is any indication. You don't need to. China's prison population is equal to that of the US, excluding the Uigurs. Include those and it doubles it. And from what is known, China is a lot harder on their prisoners than the US. I've never understood tankies that go to insane lengths to justify and defend ex-communist countries, while they'll equally claim that "it wasn't real communism". Why defend it then?
  - avgcorrection 4y ago
    > You don't need to. China's prison population is equal to that of the US, excluding the Uigurs. Include those and it doubles it. And from what is known, China is a lot harder on their prisoners than the US. So less prisoners per capita. > I've never understood tankies that go to insane lengths to justify and defend ex-communist countries, while they'll equally claim that "it wasn't real communism". Why defend it then? Am I supposed to answer this?
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whitemary 4y ago

Can you cite actual studies that show China tops the US in child poverty or child hunger? I highly doubt this is the case, but I'm quite confident we do not have any reason to believe one way or the other. The Soviet Union absolutely had less child poverty and hunger, but of course the (many) western definitions of poverty cannot apply. We do straightforwardly know, however, that the Soviet Union did not tolerate any homelessness while the United States has a growing child homelessness problem with no solution in sight.

dmoy 4y ago
World bank, etc. Keep in mind that there's ~150 million people in China who subsist on less than ~$3/day or whatever. Even accounting for cheaper standard of living (4x ppp in China) it's cripplingly poor by US poverty rates. It's the equivalent of living on like $4k USD. Idk if you've been to rural China at all, but shit is way different there still. When we define the US federal poverty line it's at minimum like $12k for an individual, even in the cheapest areas. That's 3x higher than the poverty line for data you see coming out of China.
luckylion 4y ago
> The Soviet Union absolutely had less child poverty and hunger You mean after they've let a few millions starve here and there? Holy fuck, the insanity.
- whitemary 4y ago
  Obviously you lack even have the slightest clue how much blood is on the hands of the US empire. There is simply no comparison.

avgcorrection 4y ago

> That's useless for comparisons though. Musk lost billions of dollars when Tesla's share price dropped, we should all pitch in and help him out, because we didn't lose billions of dollars and are therefore much better off, right? This makes no sense. > I don't believe that was the intended message of the comment I replied to, but even if it was because strange ideas: China easily tops the US, and so does Russia. As for Russia, just in terms of military (if that’s what you are referring to): One illegal invasion right now. An incursion into Georgia. The wars in Chechnya. America on the other hand has Iraq and Afghanistan as the most recent wars, and in general it seems that it is easier to count the number of years that the US has not been at war than to count the years where they have. So I think the world’s largest military which is also used in an offensive capacity wins here. As for China I will probably have to concede the win in case you are referring to the Uyghurs, because the number of Uyghurs in concentration camps worse than Auschwitz must surely number in the hundreds of millions now, if the rhetoric of the anti-China crowd is any indication.

luckylion 4y ago
> This makes no sense. If you don't take population into the comparison of absolute numbers, you're not learning anything. The same applies to monetary losses. If you don't take the total amount of dollars invested into account, "dollar amount lost" is useless. Two people could lose $1000 each, one has a billion dollar, the other one has 1001. Are they equally affected? > As for China I will probably have to concede the win in case you are referring to the Uyghurs, because the number of Uyghurs in concentration camps worse than Auschwitz must surely number in the hundreds of millions now, if the rhetoric of the anti-China crowd is any indication. You don't need to. China's prison population is equal to that of the US, excluding the Uigurs. Include those and it doubles it. And from what is known, China is a lot harder on their prisoners than the US. I've never understood tankies that go to insane lengths to justify and defend ex-communist countries, while they'll equally claim that "it wasn't real communism". Why defend it then?
- avgcorrection 4y ago
  > You don't need to. China's prison population is equal to that of the US, excluding the Uigurs. Include those and it doubles it. And from what is known, China is a lot harder on their prisoners than the US. So less prisoners per capita. > I've never understood tankies that go to insane lengths to justify and defend ex-communist countries, while they'll equally claim that "it wasn't real communism". Why defend it then? Am I supposed to answer this?

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