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In a world where the quest is infinite money it's not surprising harmful industries are being enabled at the expense of the population. Governments are shirkin

In a world where the quest is infinite money it's not surprising harmful industries are being enabled at the expense of the population. Governments are shirking their responsibility, or succumbing to corruption, and throwing vulnerable people to the wolves.

atahanacar 4y ago
Legalizing "vice" and protecting vulnerable people aren't mutually exclusive.
- ElevenLathe 4y ago
  This. I want to live in a society where I can have a beer on a Sunday afternoon but where developing alcoholism doesn't mean: losing a job, therefore losing my housing, therefore losing my relationships, therefore dying of exposure under a highway overpass.
  - roflyear 4y ago
    Likely it isn't the alcoholism that causes that but the results of drinking all the time meaning you can't function. You can have a beer anytime you want in the US. I don't want to live in a world where we dump people with addiction issues on the street, but certainly giving them welfare or something enables them after a certain point as well. Hard issue.
  - Ekaros 4y ago
    Maybe last part is something that shouldn't happen. But before that. I think it is entirely reasonable outcome for non-functioning alcoholism. As society we shouldn't be forced accept to someone who is drunk all the time, and not capable to perform their work or interact with their friends and family is normal way.
- BizarreByte 4y ago
  Some vices need not be legalized, many others need heavily regulation. We seem to be getting the worst of all worlds (especially here in Canada), poor regulation with legalization. At the end of the day we’d be better off without most vices. Most vulnerable people aren’t going to be able to function when drugs, gambling and the like are a free for all regardless of supports given to them.
  - grammarnazzzi 4y ago
    The devil's in the details. > At the end of the day we’d be better off without most vices Who decides what's a vice and what isn't? > others need heavily regulation Who decides what gets regulated and how heavily? It's usually the people with the most to gain personaly who vie to become one of the deciders. They approach such decisions as opportunities rather than tough, morally burdensome responsibilities. And it's the machiavellians and narcissists that work the hardest for it.
fullshark 4y ago
Not sure it's intentional or not but the "ruling class" has decided to eliminate a lot of the avenues for social mobility, in part because falling down is so terrifying to them, and in exchange is offering vice and economic dependency to a permanent underclass.
- BizarreByte 4y ago
  What better way to make the masses content right? Weed alone is amazing at making people ambitionless and unmotivated, ensuring they remain happy in otherwise garbage situations. People online say “that never happens”, but I see it all the time in real life. Why improve society when you can drug people up instead?
  - fullshark 4y ago
    Not just weed, but pornography and video game addiction is real as well and can be considered vices, severely curtailing ambition and motivation. A large % of men are just uninterested in social mobility or having a meaningful relationship/children, just in the next dopamine hit from wherever they can get it.
    - BizarreByte 4y ago
      I mean I don’t want a relationship or children, but I had to fight my way out of the poverty I grew up in and I continue to work to maintain and improve my position. Seeing what I have it legitimately scares me to think where I’d be had I gotten into some vices back when I was young. You’re right in pointing out those things though, it doesn’t have to be a drug to be damaging.

atahanacar 4y ago

Legalizing "vice" and protecting vulnerable people aren't mutually exclusive.

ElevenLathe 4y ago
This. I want to live in a society where I can have a beer on a Sunday afternoon but where developing alcoholism doesn't mean: losing a job, therefore losing my housing, therefore losing my relationships, therefore dying of exposure under a highway overpass.
- roflyear 4y ago
  Likely it isn't the alcoholism that causes that but the results of drinking all the time meaning you can't function. You can have a beer anytime you want in the US. I don't want to live in a world where we dump people with addiction issues on the street, but certainly giving them welfare or something enables them after a certain point as well. Hard issue.
- Ekaros 4y ago
  Maybe last part is something that shouldn't happen. But before that. I think it is entirely reasonable outcome for non-functioning alcoholism. As society we shouldn't be forced accept to someone who is drunk all the time, and not capable to perform their work or interact with their friends and family is normal way.
BizarreByte 4y ago
Some vices need not be legalized, many others need heavily regulation. We seem to be getting the worst of all worlds (especially here in Canada), poor regulation with legalization. At the end of the day we’d be better off without most vices. Most vulnerable people aren’t going to be able to function when drugs, gambling and the like are a free for all regardless of supports given to them.
- grammarnazzzi 4y ago
  The devil's in the details. > At the end of the day we’d be better off without most vices Who decides what's a vice and what isn't? > others need heavily regulation Who decides what gets regulated and how heavily? It's usually the people with the most to gain personaly who vie to become one of the deciders. They approach such decisions as opportunities rather than tough, morally burdensome responsibilities. And it's the machiavellians and narcissists that work the hardest for it.

fullshark 4y ago

Not sure it's intentional or not but the "ruling class" has decided to eliminate a lot of the avenues for social mobility, in part because falling down is so terrifying to them, and in exchange is offering vice and economic dependency to a permanent underclass.

BizarreByte 4y ago
What better way to make the masses content right? Weed alone is amazing at making people ambitionless and unmotivated, ensuring they remain happy in otherwise garbage situations. People online say “that never happens”, but I see it all the time in real life. Why improve society when you can drug people up instead?
- fullshark 4y ago
  Not just weed, but pornography and video game addiction is real as well and can be considered vices, severely curtailing ambition and motivation. A large % of men are just uninterested in social mobility or having a meaningful relationship/children, just in the next dopamine hit from wherever they can get it.
  - BizarreByte 4y ago
    I mean I don’t want a relationship or children, but I had to fight my way out of the poverty I grew up in and I continue to work to maintain and improve my position. Seeing what I have it legitimately scares me to think where I’d be had I gotten into some vices back when I was young. You’re right in pointing out those things though, it doesn’t have to be a drug to be damaging.