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I always find articles like these odd. CNN states a "fact"(1), then states a bunch of other "facts" with the obvious implication that this is the reason for 1.

by jeegsy 4y ago

I always find articles like these odd. CNN states a "fact"(1), then states a bunch of other "facts" with the obvious implication that this is the reason for 1. Yet in no where in the article did the affected parties go on record to corroborate this. Nevertheless they have successfully gotten the message out there that Twitter is in trouble under Elon.

ttyprintk 4y ago
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MattDemers 4y ago
>Yet in no where in the article did the affected parties go on record to corroborate this. Not excusing the article, but it feels very rare that we get someone "on the record" or an objective "this is actually happening due to the information we have" out of journalism. It's opinion and supposition disguised as fact. Obviously it's because of NDAs, punishments for going on-record and personal safety, but it still feels like that shouldn't be an excuse for shoddy articles.
- orev 4y ago
  That’s quite a huge leap from “here’s a bunch of facts the seem to point to a specific conclusion” to “it’s all shoddy journalism and nothing but opinions”. This article lays out a number of facts, which quite clearly connects the dots to a clear picture of what’s going on. Even in science we mostly have a “bunch of facts that probably point to a specific conclusion” and that’s usually the best we can get.
  - jeegsy 4y ago
    > quite clearly connects the dots to a clear picture Thats the opinion part
nostromo123 4y ago
Well this has been basically CNN's whole "journalism" model for years. I'm old enough to remember how "Trump has small hands and I don't like him anyway" was basically given as the reason for all evils under the sun.
Overtonwindow 4y ago
It's the general circular reasoning of mainstream media. A lot of the stories produced by organizations like CNN boil down to rumor, tweets, and personal beliefs, that are then amplified as "facts". Each fact in this article references back to itself. When you strip everything away, the only question is, do you trust CNN as a source of factual news? For a lot of Americans that is a resounding NO.
dragonwriter 4y ago
You find articles that aren’t lightly-rewritten press releases from involved parties “odd”? I suppose that's accurate, but...

by jeegsy 4y ago

ttyprintk 4y ago

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MattDemers 4y ago

>Yet in no where in the article did the affected parties go on record to corroborate this. Not excusing the article, but it feels very rare that we get someone "on the record" or an objective "this is actually happening due to the information we have" out of journalism. It's opinion and supposition disguised as fact. Obviously it's because of NDAs, punishments for going on-record and personal safety, but it still feels like that shouldn't be an excuse for shoddy articles.

orev 4y ago
That’s quite a huge leap from “here’s a bunch of facts the seem to point to a specific conclusion” to “it’s all shoddy journalism and nothing but opinions”. This article lays out a number of facts, which quite clearly connects the dots to a clear picture of what’s going on. Even in science we mostly have a “bunch of facts that probably point to a specific conclusion” and that’s usually the best we can get.
- jeegsy 4y ago
  > quite clearly connects the dots to a clear picture Thats the opinion part

nostromo123 4y ago

Well this has been basically CNN's whole "journalism" model for years. I'm old enough to remember how "Trump has small hands and I don't like him anyway" was basically given as the reason for all evils under the sun.

Overtonwindow 4y ago

It's the general circular reasoning of mainstream media. A lot of the stories produced by organizations like CNN boil down to rumor, tweets, and personal beliefs, that are then amplified as "facts". Each fact in this article references back to itself. When you strip everything away, the only question is, do you trust CNN as a source of factual news? For a lot of Americans that is a resounding NO.

dragonwriter 4y ago

You find articles that aren’t lightly-rewritten press releases from involved parties “odd”? I suppose that's accurate, but...