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> And that doesn't include the externalized costs, such as increased domestic violence, impacts on children I have never seen someone who did those things drun

> And that doesn't include the externalized costs, such as increased domestic violence, impacts on children I have never seen someone who did those things drunk who didn't also do those things sober.

rayiner 4y ago
From the BBC article: "Men who are dependent on alcohol or drugs are six or seven times more likely to be involved in domestic abuse against women than others, according to an extensive new study." That makes sense--alcohol decreases inhibition. It makes you do things that maybe you were inclined to do, but wouldn't do sober. (That is part of why people drink alcohol in the first place.)
- thebigspacefuck 4y ago
  You’ve also got to be pretty miserable to get in that state in the first place. Maybe they are victims of abuse themselves or have untreated trauma/other mental health conditions.
- __derek__ 4y ago
  > dependent on alcohol or drugs are six or seven times more likely NB: this does not mean actively using. Dependency creates significant stress when sober, which almost certainly amplifies violent dispositions. Hence my GP's comment.
  - rayiner 4y ago
    > Dependency creates significant stress when sober, which almost certainly amplifies violent dispositions. How does that not support my point?
    - __derek__ 4y ago
      It's the opposite of what you wrote: > That makes sense--alcohol decreases inhibition. It makes you do things that maybe you were inclined to do, but wouldn't do sober. (That is part of why people drink alcohol in the first place.)
- auveair 4y ago
  I mean, from the same article you have, they bring up the same point I did: > While undoubtedly there is some link between alcohol and drugs and domestic abuse, this research should be treated with some caution, said Dame Vera Baird, victims' commissioner for England and Wales. She said: "Many perpetrators who commit domestic violence while drunk will also be violent and controlling while sober. "And many perpetrators of domestic violence and coercive control do not have a drink or drug problem, and therefore it would be a mistake to divert resources from domestic violence perpetrator programmes to tackling drink and drugs misuse."

> And that doesn't include the externalized costs, such as increased domestic violence, impacts on children I have never seen someone who did those things drunk who didn't also do those things sober.

rayiner 4y ago

From the BBC article: "Men who are dependent on alcohol or drugs are six or seven times more likely to be involved in domestic abuse against women than others, according to an extensive new study." That makes sense--alcohol decreases inhibition. It makes you do things that maybe you were inclined to do, but wouldn't do sober. (That is part of why people drink alcohol in the first place.)

thebigspacefuck 4y ago
You’ve also got to be pretty miserable to get in that state in the first place. Maybe they are victims of abuse themselves or have untreated trauma/other mental health conditions.
__derek__ 4y ago
> dependent on alcohol or drugs are six or seven times more likely NB: this does not mean actively using. Dependency creates significant stress when sober, which almost certainly amplifies violent dispositions. Hence my GP's comment.
- rayiner 4y ago
  > Dependency creates significant stress when sober, which almost certainly amplifies violent dispositions. How does that not support my point?
  - __derek__ 4y ago
    It's the opposite of what you wrote: > That makes sense--alcohol decreases inhibition. It makes you do things that maybe you were inclined to do, but wouldn't do sober. (That is part of why people drink alcohol in the first place.)
auveair 4y ago
I mean, from the same article you have, they bring up the same point I did: > While undoubtedly there is some link between alcohol and drugs and domestic abuse, this research should be treated with some caution, said Dame Vera Baird, victims' commissioner for England and Wales. She said: "Many perpetrators who commit domestic violence while drunk will also be violent and controlling while sober. "And many perpetrators of domestic violence and coercive control do not have a drink or drug problem, and therefore it would be a mistake to divert resources from domestic violence perpetrator programmes to tackling drink and drugs misuse."