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I can’t wait for ai search to kill googles business model. Finally we may be liberated from SEO spam

bombolo 4y ago
They will just figure out another way. Also, I believe google willingly puts blog posts with ads on top, rather than the original documentation/maling list discussion because those usually have no ads.
Jensson 4y ago
The SEO spam industry will just pivot to infect the results of those language models.
- pottspotts 4y ago
  Perhaps its time we pay for a service like ChatGPT for an ad-free experience. I'm actually already on the $20/mo plan.
  - nkingsy 4y ago
    SEO is not ads and a pay model won’t stop them.
  - rahidz 4y ago
    Maybe. But the cynic in me says it'll wind up being like cable TV or a subscription to the NYT: Since you are well-off enough to afford a $20/month plan, Microsoft will reason, you're the perfect consumer to advertise to. So you get both ads (or at least heavy tracking) and you get to pay.
- indymike 4y ago
  It's already embraced it... and as a result the next generation of LLMs will be trained using generated BS.
  - harshreality 4y ago
    Not quite a quine or fixed point, but something akin to it in the context of neural nets? A version of the AI "singularity" that is completely useless. :) That's something many humans already suffer from, due to social media platforms creating large echo chambers. I think there's enough human-generated content that LLMs won't suffer from that. If they did, you could always manually filter what they train from... only data from websites with trustworthy timestamps pre-2020, for instance, or content after that which might be partially AI generated but still has strong human filtering, like wikipedia and arxiv and scientific papers in general.
catach 4y ago
I don't think AI search can replace most forms of commerce search--what should I buy, where should I buy it, what are the reviews--without active, continuous, unsupervised web scraping. Which means SEO tries to game it.
rvz 4y ago
> I can’t wait for ai search to kill googles business model. Just no. It would have to take more than that to challenge Google's business model. This current AI hype around LLMs and chatbots is the start of a hype cycle similar to what happened to Clubhouse.
wildpeaks 4y ago
SEO spammers will merely adapt and pollute the data sources used to train the models. Also, for now these services are spending a lot of money to capture the market, but sooner or later they'll monetize by biasing results towards their paid advertisers. The end user isn't the customer, advertisers are.

They will just figure out another way. Also, I believe google willingly puts blog posts with ads on top, rather than the original documentation/maling list discussion because those usually have no ads.

Jensson 4y ago

The SEO spam industry will just pivot to infect the results of those language models.

pottspotts 4y ago
Perhaps its time we pay for a service like ChatGPT for an ad-free experience. I'm actually already on the $20/mo plan.
- nkingsy 4y ago
  SEO is not ads and a pay model won’t stop them.
- rahidz 4y ago
  Maybe. But the cynic in me says it'll wind up being like cable TV or a subscription to the NYT: Since you are well-off enough to afford a $20/month plan, Microsoft will reason, you're the perfect consumer to advertise to. So you get both ads (or at least heavy tracking) and you get to pay.
indymike 4y ago
It's already embraced it... and as a result the next generation of LLMs will be trained using generated BS.
- harshreality 4y ago
  Not quite a quine or fixed point, but something akin to it in the context of neural nets? A version of the AI "singularity" that is completely useless. :) That's something many humans already suffer from, due to social media platforms creating large echo chambers. I think there's enough human-generated content that LLMs won't suffer from that. If they did, you could always manually filter what they train from... only data from websites with trustworthy timestamps pre-2020, for instance, or content after that which might be partially AI generated but still has strong human filtering, like wikipedia and arxiv and scientific papers in general.

catach 4y ago

I don't think AI search can replace most forms of commerce search--what should I buy, where should I buy it, what are the reviews--without active, continuous, unsupervised web scraping. Which means SEO tries to game it.

rvz 4y ago

> I can’t wait for ai search to kill googles business model. Just no. It would have to take more than that to challenge Google's business model. This current AI hype around LLMs and chatbots is the start of a hype cycle similar to what happened to Clubhouse.

wildpeaks 4y ago

SEO spammers will merely adapt and pollute the data sources used to train the models. Also, for now these services are spending a lot of money to capture the market, but sooner or later they'll monetize by biasing results towards their paid advertisers. The end user isn't the customer, advertisers are.