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What's fascinating about this isn't the study itself - it's the reactions people here are having. From "I guess that means fruit juice should be illegal since

by mabbo 4y ago

What's fascinating about this isn't the study itself - it's the reactions people here are having. From "I guess that means fruit juice should be illegal since it can contain alcohol!" to "Life leads to death too!". Just any justification to call the WHO's point bunk. Denial, in a word. This is the world's leading body on science health giving a result that I'm guessing most of us don't want to hear. Because we like alcohol and want to be told we're right for liking it. I think the result is completely true. Just the same, I plan to keep occasionally drinking a beer, the same as I occasionally consume horrendously unhealthy food or spend too long in front of a computer screen. It's okay to do unhealthy things in moderation. But if being told it would be best to drink only in moderation, if at all, triggers an angry response and denial, maybe you should have a sit down and think about what that means.

B8MGHCBekDuRi 4y ago
> Denial, in a word. I think it's more like: yeah, we know, but people are able of being responsible too. So don't assume that living a week more in a lifetime should be a goal, I assume these studies are published to get some funding for the team who publish them, not because they are useful for the public debate. Because they are not. Alcohol is much less dangerous than the car tyres, moderate alcohol consumption is also associated in many studies to health benefits, just like drugs are not good for your health but without them the chances of dying of common disease increase two fold, so they're not as bad as they look. Maybe people should care about important stuff, not the sensationalistic stuff. Meanwhile: The car tyre particles pollute air, water and soil and contain a wide range of toxic organic compounds, including known carcinogens, the analysts say, suggesting tyre pollution could rapidly become a major issue for regulators. Air pollution causes millions of early deaths a year globally
notacoward 4y ago
> Because we like alcohol and want to be told we're right for liking it. That works the other way too. It's all too easy for people who don't like alcohol anyway to jump on studies like these, but the fact that their personal preference aligns with health advice doesn't justify their expressions of moral superiority. There's no moral dimension to it. It's little more than happenstance. "Don't judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes" still applies.

by mabbo 4y ago

B8MGHCBekDuRi 4y ago

> Denial, in a word. I think it's more like: yeah, we know, but people are able of being responsible too. So don't assume that living a week more in a lifetime should be a goal, I assume these studies are published to get some funding for the team who publish them, not because they are useful for the public debate. Because they are not. Alcohol is much less dangerous than the car tyres, moderate alcohol consumption is also associated in many studies to health benefits, just like drugs are not good for your health but without them the chances of dying of common disease increase two fold, so they're not as bad as they look. Maybe people should care about important stuff, not the sensationalistic stuff. Meanwhile: The car tyre particles pollute air, water and soil and contain a wide range of toxic organic compounds, including known carcinogens, the analysts say, suggesting tyre pollution could rapidly become a major issue for regulators. Air pollution causes millions of early deaths a year globally

notacoward 4y ago

> Because we like alcohol and want to be told we're right for liking it. That works the other way too. It's all too easy for people who don't like alcohol anyway to jump on studies like these, but the fact that their personal preference aligns with health advice doesn't justify their expressions of moral superiority. There's no moral dimension to it. It's little more than happenstance. "Don't judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes" still applies.