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Reading through the comments here there seems to be much negative sentiment against this study. But what they are right? What if alcohol is actually just bad fo

Reading through the comments here there seems to be much negative sentiment against this study. But what they are right? What if alcohol is actually just bad for you full stop. Would this really be that shocking or controversial that a known poison is poisonous?

zabzonk 4y ago
it's neither shocking or controversial to say that excess alcohol (for example, falling-down drunk) is bad for the majority of people. what is irritating to people of a logical/scientific bent is saying that ANY alcohol at all is going to lead to a a bad result, with minimal or no evidence. for example, the bottle of gin that i have beside me has a label on it that says i should not exceed 2 small glasses a day. where did this figure come from? somebody made it up!
- rightbyte 4y ago
  Two small glasses of gin every day is probably way to much? Just from the high frequency.
  - zabzonk 4y ago
    that is not a high frequency for a regular drinker who is not an alcoholic. and my point was that this figure was made up by people who, with no evidence, simply made up this figure.
vixen99 4y ago
I guess people can make their own deductions as to good or bad. Alcohol is mostly detoxified in the body by two enzymes. Alcohol dehydrogenase breaks down alcohol to acetaldehyde which is a highly toxic substance and a known carcinogen. Acetaldehyde is then thankfully further metabolized to acetate (harmless) and thence to water and carbon dioxide. Neither alcohol or acetaldehyde are exactly friendly to cells to put it mildly. As we know, the former is an excellent preservative once the cells are dead. As with the rest of life, it's a balance of risks. Having the right genes may be helpful. Jeanne Calment lived to 111 and apparently enjoyed a daily spot of port. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanne_Calment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanne_Calment
B8MGHCBekDuRi 4y ago
> What if alcohol is actually just bad for you full stop It is. The point is it is not so bad that you should worry so much about it, just use moderation. Like everything else in your life, especially past 40, you should use common sense: don't eat hamburgers every day, it's bad for your health. You should walk more, a sedentary lifestyle is really bad for your health. You should reduce the amount of sports you do and prefer moderate physical activity to playing football with your friends (see Hulk Hogan current health status), etc. etc. It's not like tobacco, processed food or driving, those are really dangerous things for your health and will reduce your life span considerably. Anyway, they tried prohibitionism in USA, it didn't work, so I guess alcohol is here to stay with us, till the end of time.
- Eddy_Viscosity2 4y ago
  They have been lots of studies (many alcohol industry sponsored) that said that moderate alcohol was not only harmless, but GOOD for you. I think getting the message out, that no, its never good for you is important to do to counter that previous narrative. The WHO is saying its bad for you and that's fine. And as you've said, once people have the information they can choose the risk profiles that suit them.
  - antb123 4y ago
    I always thought that this effect was due not causal but to many people using alcohol socially. One of the biggest killers is loneliness. Have a look at the Harvard life study.
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zabzonk 4y ago

it's neither shocking or controversial to say that excess alcohol (for example, falling-down drunk) is bad for the majority of people. what is irritating to people of a logical/scientific bent is saying that ANY alcohol at all is going to lead to a a bad result, with minimal or no evidence. for example, the bottle of gin that i have beside me has a label on it that says i should not exceed 2 small glasses a day. where did this figure come from? somebody made it up!

rightbyte 4y ago
Two small glasses of gin every day is probably way to much? Just from the high frequency.
- zabzonk 4y ago
  that is not a high frequency for a regular drinker who is not an alcoholic. and my point was that this figure was made up by people who, with no evidence, simply made up this figure.

vixen99 4y ago

I guess people can make their own deductions as to good or bad. Alcohol is mostly detoxified in the body by two enzymes. Alcohol dehydrogenase breaks down alcohol to acetaldehyde which is a highly toxic substance and a known carcinogen. Acetaldehyde is then thankfully further metabolized to acetate (harmless) and thence to water and carbon dioxide. Neither alcohol or acetaldehyde are exactly friendly to cells to put it mildly. As we know, the former is an excellent preservative once the cells are dead. As with the rest of life, it's a balance of risks. Having the right genes may be helpful. Jeanne Calment lived to 111 and apparently enjoyed a daily spot of port. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanne_Calment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanne_Calment

B8MGHCBekDuRi 4y ago

> What if alcohol is actually just bad for you full stop It is. The point is it is not so bad that you should worry so much about it, just use moderation. Like everything else in your life, especially past 40, you should use common sense: don't eat hamburgers every day, it's bad for your health. You should walk more, a sedentary lifestyle is really bad for your health. You should reduce the amount of sports you do and prefer moderate physical activity to playing football with your friends (see Hulk Hogan current health status), etc. etc. It's not like tobacco, processed food or driving, those are really dangerous things for your health and will reduce your life span considerably. Anyway, they tried prohibitionism in USA, it didn't work, so I guess alcohol is here to stay with us, till the end of time.

Eddy_Viscosity2 4y ago
They have been lots of studies (many alcohol industry sponsored) that said that moderate alcohol was not only harmless, but GOOD for you. I think getting the message out, that no, its never good for you is important to do to counter that previous narrative. The WHO is saying its bad for you and that's fine. And as you've said, once people have the information they can choose the risk profiles that suit them.
- antb123 4y ago
  I always thought that this effect was due not causal but to many people using alcohol socially. One of the biggest killers is loneliness. Have a look at the Harvard life study.

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