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I understand that the statement "only no alcohol is really safe" is correct. But it is not helpful in my everyday life. Exactly the same problem exists with gas

I understand that the statement "only no alcohol is really safe" is correct. But it is not helpful in my everyday life. Exactly the same problem exists with gasoline. It is simply not possible (or extremely costly) to completely avoid the substance or their effects. To refuse a beer in Germany is an affront that I would like to weigh against the risk of cancer. In fact, I have found information on the question: The daily consumption of 50 grams of pure alcohol - equivalent to about 1.5 liters of beer or 0.5 liters of wine - increases the risk of cancer two- to threefold. Continuously high alcohol consumption is also one of the main causes of liver cancer. Consuming more than 80 grams of alcohol (about 2 liters of beer) per day increases the risk of liver cancer by a factor of four to seven. Women have a significantly higher alcohol-related liver cancer risk than men. Increased risk of cancer of the colon and rectum begins at four glasses per day. Compared to people living abstinent from alcohol, this increases the risk of cancer by 1.4 times. The risk of breast cancer in women increases from just one daily glass of an alcoholic beverage (e.g. 0.3 liters of beer). Each additional glass increases the risk by about seven percent. Source: https://www.kenn-dein-limit.de/alkoholkonsum/folgen-von-alkohol/alkohol-und-krebs https://www.kenn-dein-limit.de/alkoholkonsum/folgen-von-alko... (the website is from a German authority that provides information about addiction, etc.)

TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
> refuse a beer in Germany is an affront that I would like to weigh against the risk of cancer Refusing a cigarette used to have a similar insult; and also you weren’t cool if you refused That’s changed after decades of press and cancer warning labels on tobacco. Let’s hope the same happens with alcohol.
- shanebellone 4y ago
  "Let’s hope the same happens with alcohol." Why? You have all the required information to make an educated decision for yourself. Others do too. Allow them to decide without harassment. I quit smoking cigarettes and drinking alcohol years ago now. As the calculus changed, my habits followed suit. Everyone should be allowed to choose how they live.
  - endisneigh 4y ago
    If you believe in socialized health care you would hope the trend on unhealthy habits is going down, right?
    - shanebellone 4y ago
      I believe socialized healthcare is an eventuality. But I couldn't care less about other people's habits.
  - TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
    I didn’t say outlaw it. Cigarettes are not outlawed. Let’s change the peer pressure around drinking like we did with cigarettes
    - shanebellone 4y ago
      "Let’s change the peer pressure around drinking like we did with cigarettes." This is precisely what I was referring to. If peer pressure to use [insert substance here] is wrong; the antithesis is wrong too.
      - TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
        It may be wrong, but it is reality that peer pressure exists. Society judges many actions. That’s going away; it even exists in some animal culture.
  - TOMDM 4y ago
    I think the parent comment agrees with you? They want to be able to choose whether to engage with alcohol without the attached stigma.
  - krisoft 4y ago
    > Allow them to decide without harassment. vs > To refuse a beer in Germany is an affront that I would like to weigh against the risk of cancer. Who is harassing who if someone feels that their choice of not drinking beer will cause affront? Hoping that cultural norms will change and it will cease to be an affront to refuse a drink is not harassing. People exerting social pressure on others who refuse a beer is. That is why I'm hoping any such practices disappear. Exactly for the reason you state, to allow each to decide without harassment.
valenterry 4y ago
> To refuse a beer in Germany is an affront that I would like to weigh against the risk of cancer. Really? I'm from Germany and I don't think that's the case in most places. In the worst case, just say "sorry, my doctor said I can't drink alcohol for a while - you've got one without alc, pal?" and you should be good.
B8MGHCBekDuRi 4y ago
> To refuse a beer in Germany is an affront I don't think that stereotypes add anything to any discussion.

TedDoesntTalk 4y ago

> refuse a beer in Germany is an affront that I would like to weigh against the risk of cancer Refusing a cigarette used to have a similar insult; and also you weren’t cool if you refused That’s changed after decades of press and cancer warning labels on tobacco. Let’s hope the same happens with alcohol.

shanebellone 4y ago
"Let’s hope the same happens with alcohol." Why? You have all the required information to make an educated decision for yourself. Others do too. Allow them to decide without harassment. I quit smoking cigarettes and drinking alcohol years ago now. As the calculus changed, my habits followed suit. Everyone should be allowed to choose how they live.
- endisneigh 4y ago
  If you believe in socialized health care you would hope the trend on unhealthy habits is going down, right?
  - shanebellone 4y ago
    I believe socialized healthcare is an eventuality. But I couldn't care less about other people's habits.
- TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
  I didn’t say outlaw it. Cigarettes are not outlawed. Let’s change the peer pressure around drinking like we did with cigarettes
  - shanebellone 4y ago
    "Let’s change the peer pressure around drinking like we did with cigarettes." This is precisely what I was referring to. If peer pressure to use [insert substance here] is wrong; the antithesis is wrong too.
    - TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
      It may be wrong, but it is reality that peer pressure exists. Society judges many actions. That’s going away; it even exists in some animal culture.
- TOMDM 4y ago
  I think the parent comment agrees with you? They want to be able to choose whether to engage with alcohol without the attached stigma.
- krisoft 4y ago
  > Allow them to decide without harassment. vs > To refuse a beer in Germany is an affront that I would like to weigh against the risk of cancer. Who is harassing who if someone feels that their choice of not drinking beer will cause affront? Hoping that cultural norms will change and it will cease to be an affront to refuse a drink is not harassing. People exerting social pressure on others who refuse a beer is. That is why I'm hoping any such practices disappear. Exactly for the reason you state, to allow each to decide without harassment.

valenterry 4y ago

> To refuse a beer in Germany is an affront that I would like to weigh against the risk of cancer. Really? I'm from Germany and I don't think that's the case in most places. In the worst case, just say "sorry, my doctor said I can't drink alcohol for a while - you've got one without alc, pal?" and you should be good.

B8MGHCBekDuRi 4y ago

> To refuse a beer in Germany is an affront I don't think that stereotypes add anything to any discussion.