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World IPv6 Launch on June 6, 2012, To Bring Permanent IPv6 Deployment

102 points by danyork 15y ago

mike-cardwell 15y ago
Page timed out for me. Found an alternative article about it: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/17/idUS149045+17-Jan-2012+BW20120117 http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/17/idUS149045+17-Jan-...
pieter 15y ago
Good news, but looks like the site is down currently. In summary: Facebook, Google, Yahoo and Bing will permanently turn on IPv6 on June 6. Some ISP's also joined, but it's not yet clear what they do at that date -- it may be as little as allowing users to opt-in for IPv6 testing in restricted areas.
- bdonlan 15y ago
  It seems that Verizon's 4G LTE service already has IPv6 in production - I was issued an IPv6 address without having to do anything in particular. I wouldn't be surprised if other ISPs followed suit by just flipping the switch to enable it for everyone.
  - justincormack 15y ago
    Thats unusual. A real IP? What is it?
    - bdonlan 15y ago
      2600:100f:b002:96cf:54e1:a288:bb8:8424, currently. Incoming ICMP and SYN packets seem to be filtered, but that's reasonable for an ostensibly mobile service.
      - justincormack 15y ago
        Cool have been waiting for the promised ipv6 on mobile but never seen it actually shipping before. Do you get an ipv4 nat address too or not?
        bdonlan 15y ago
        Yeah, I get NAT'd IPv4 as well.
- obtu 15y ago
  My ISP (Free) is participating, and the timeline went: opt-in IPv6 in 2007, IPv6-enabled Google in 2009, enabled by default for new subscribers in 2011. The 1% requirement is pretty weak, I'm more excited by the web companies flipping the switch.
- danyork 15y ago
  Yes, the WorldIPv6Day.org site is currently down but they're working on bringing it back up: https://twitter.com/#!/WorldIPv6Launch/status/159328457313107969 https://twitter.com/#!/WorldIPv6Launch/status/15932845731310...
  - danyork 15y ago
    http://www.worldipv6launch.org/ http://www.worldipv6launch.org/ is now back up.
- asdfaoeu 15y ago
  Maybe they tried to enable AAAA lookups?
obtu 15y ago
Here is the press release: WASHINGTON & GENEVA, Jan 17, 2012 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Major Internet service providers (ISPs), home networking equipment manufacturers, and web companies around the world are coming together to permanently enable IPv6 for their products and services by 6 June 2012. Organized by the Internet Society, and building on the successful one-day World IPv6 Day event held on 8 June 2011, World IPv6 Launch represents a major milestone in the global deployment of IPv6. As the successor to the current Internet Protocol, IPv4, IPv6 is critical to the Internet's continued growth as a platform for innovation and economic development. "The fact that leading companies across several industries are making significant commitments to participate in World IPv6 Launch is yet another indication that IPv6 is no longer a lab experiment; it's here and is an important next step in the Internet's evolution," commented Leslie Daigle, the Internet Society's Chief Internet Technology Officer. "And, as there are more IPv6 services, it becomes increasingly important for companies to accelerate their own deployment plans." ISPs participating in World IPv6 Launch will enable IPv6 for enough users so that at least 1% of their wireline residential subscribers who visit participating websites will do so using IPv6 by 6 June 2012. These ISPs have committed that IPv6 will be available automatically as the normal course of business for a significant portion of their subscribers. Committed ISPs are: -- AT&T -- Comcast -- Free Telecom -- Internode -- KDDI -- Time Warner Cable -- XS4ALL Participating home networking equipment manufacturers will enable IPv6 by default through the range of their home router products by 6 June 2012. Committed equipment manufacturers are: -- Cisco -- D-Link Web companies participating in World IPv6 Launch will enable IPv6 on their main websites permanently beginning 6 June 2012. Inaugural participants are: -- Facebook ( www.facebook.com ) -- Google ( www.google.com ) -- Microsoft Bing ( www.bing.com ) -- Yahoo! ( www.yahoo.com ) Content delivery network providers Akamai and Limelight will be enabling their customers to join this list of participating websites by enabling IPv6 throughout their infrastructure. As IPv4 addresses become increasingly scarce, every segment of the industry must act quickly to accelerate full IPv6 adoption or risk increased costs and limited functionality online for Internet users everywhere. World IPv6 Launch participants are leading the way in this effort. For more information about World IPv6 Launch, products and services covered, as well as links to useful information for users and information about how other companies may participate, visit: http://www.worldipv6launch.org http://www.worldipv6launch.org About the need for IPv6 IPv4 has approximately four billion IP addresses (the sequence of numbers assigned to each Internet-connected device). The explosion in the number of people, devices, and web services on the Internet means that IPv4 is running out of space. IPv6, the next-generation Internet protocol which provides more than 340 trillion, trillion, trillion addresses, will connect the billions of people not connected today and will help ensure the Internet can continue its current growth rate indefinitely. About the Internet Society The Internet Society is the world's trusted independent source of leadership for Internet policy, technology standards and future development. Based on its principled vision and substantial technological foundation, the Internet Society works with its members and Chapters around the world to promote the continued evolution and growth of the open Internet through dialog among companies, governments, and other organizations around the world. For more information, see: www.internetsociety.org
mike-cardwell 15y ago
I wonder if they selected the 6th day of the 6th month for this because it's IPv6, or if it's just a coincidence.
- pieter 15y ago
  They probably chose the 6th because it's on a wednesday; they chose June 8th last year, which was also on a wednesday.
  - ward 15y ago
    At the risk of sounding ignorant... what's special about Wednesdays?
    - jaylevitt 15y ago
      Wild guess: Two days of frantic last-minute preparation, one day of rollout, and two days of frantic hotfixes before most folks go home for the weekend.
Aloisius 15y ago
I hope it works. My experience with IPv6 has been hit or miss because my service provider, Cogent, doesn't peer with everyone. So while I can access Facebook's IPv6 address and every international IPv6 service I've tried, I can't access visit ipv6.google.com.
- rwg 15y ago
  Cogent de-peered Google about half a year ago: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/ipv6/29238 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/ipv6/29238 If you're single-homed to Cogent and want global IPv6 connectivity, you should look for another provider.
  - justincormack 15y ago
    Surely they can't just not route to part of the internet?
    - jjv 15y ago
      They have done this in the past to many others; look up the Sprint - Cogent fight a few years ago. Cogent want peering (i.e. free traffic) with as many providers as possible, but it usually doesn't work out for their peering partners because Cogent's traffic is unbalanced (up / down aren't roughly the same). Usually when you don't have a direct peering arrangement, you route there through other providers, but Cogent specifically blackhole other networks to try and force them to peer.
webmonkeyuk 15y ago
It's a shame that http://www.worldipv6launch.org/ http://www.worldipv6launch.org/ appears to be broken. http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.worldipv6launch.org http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.worldipv6launch.o...
- danyork 15y ago
  yep, they're working on it: https://twitter.com/#!/WorldIPv6Launch/status/159328457313107969 https://twitter.com/#!/WorldIPv6Launch/status/15932845731310...
swalsh 15y ago
One might think of it as "D-Day"?
jl6 15y ago
Any hints from Amazon on whether they intend to provide Elastic IPv6 addresses?
- dangrossman 15y ago
  All Elastic Load Balancers in US-East and EU already have a publicly-routable IPv6 address
  - adpowers 15y ago
    I'm running a bunch of t1.micros for different websites, now I have to pay twice as much to get an ELB for each to use v6? And I still can't SSH over v6. Amazon needs to stop pretending that ELB is the final solution for v6 and give each instance their own v6 address.
    - dangrossman 15y ago
      It's disingenuous to believe Amazon is pretending anything or won't eventually offer IPv6 IPs. They have a massive, global, proprietary internal routing infrastructure -- it takes time, resources and lots of testing before rolling out new services on that infrastructure.
      - wmf 15y ago
        The problem is having no roadmap. We know they're working to make AWS better... somehow. And you can't assume anything; there are EC2 feature requests that have been open for five years.
    - justincormack 15y ago
      S3 doesn't have ipv6 addresses yet, which should be the easiest thing.
va_coder 15y ago
If this catches on it'll have a big impact on web site analytics.
- dangrossman 15y ago
  How so?
  - IgorPartola 15y ago
    One way would be that it would help identify individuals better since giant NATs will not be as popular. For example, I believe some IBM campuses are often all behind a single IP address.
    - dedward 15y ago
      as nat was only a method of dealing with lack of address space, and not a security measure, hopefully nat will become very rare...
    - dedward 15y ago
      as nat was only a method of dealing with lack of address space, and not a security measure, hopefully nat will become very rare...
    - pieter 15y ago
      Not really; most OSes now enable ipv6 privacy extensions by default, which means a client will connect with a different IP every hour or so.
  - va_coder 15y ago
    At least some of the software designed to detect malicious behavior assumes the ip is in ipv4 format. Example: I'm pretty sure fail2ban doesn't support ipv6, yet.
- justincormack 15y ago
  Is there a geo ip database for ipv6? If people are using ipv6 these things will start to matter. Though maybe analytics will be the last to move.
riobard 15y ago
This is great news, but does anyone have any idea how to get IPv4-over-IPv6 tunnels to work? I'm in an all-IPv6 network, but unless all websites automatically work flawlessly after Jun 6, 2012, I still need to access IPv4 resources. I have an IPv4/IPv6 dual-stack server which I can access from home via IPv6. I want to setup an IPv4-over-IPv6 tunnel to connect to the server so that all devices in my home network can still operate in a private IPv4 network (for compatibility), and access to public IPv4 network is routed through the IPv4-over-IPv6 tunnel to the dual-stack server. The only solution that seems feasible right now is DS-Lite, but I couldn't find any helpful tutorial on how to setup it. Right now I use DNS64/NAT64 on another server to access IPv4-only resources, but this combination doesn't work all the time. For example, Dropbox client doesn't work because (I suspect) it hard-coded the IPv4 addresses of remote servers. DNS64 cannot intercept direct IPv4 addressing so there is no way to translate it into fake IPv6 addresses to be routable via NAT64. In addition, DNS64/NAT64 requires a full /64 subnet on the remote server, which might not always be possible. What is the general and practical strategy during the transition from IPv4 to IPv6? Edited: here is the relavent link on serverfault.com where I posted the original question http://serverfault.com/questions/326132/ipv6-only-client-to-ipv6-ipv4-dual-stack-server-tunnel http://serverfault.com/questions/326132/ipv6-only-client-to-...
- wmf 15y ago
  Your ISP should provide DS-Lite for you; I suspect that's why there aren't any tutorials.
  - justincormack 15y ago
    Not sure where the OP is getting ipv6 from, but DS-lite is not actually common, because most ISPs are still providing ipv6 as an extra not exclusive, or people are using tunnel brokers. So most do not provide ipv6 only. However if you have a lot of ipv6 machines behind one ip provided and you want to know what to do the OP's question is sensible. The answer alas seems to be to just run your own NAT alongside ipv6. DS-lite is just getting someone else to do your NAT.
- enterneo 15y ago

102 points by danyork 15y ago

Page timed out for me. Found an alternative article about it: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/17/idUS149045+17-Jan-2012+BW20120117 http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/17/idUS149045+17-Jan-...

pieter 15y ago

Good news, but looks like the site is down currently. In summary: Facebook, Google, Yahoo and Bing will permanently turn on IPv6 on June 6. Some ISP's also joined, but it's not yet clear what they do at that date -- it may be as little as allowing users to opt-in for IPv6 testing in restricted areas.

bdonlan 15y ago
It seems that Verizon's 4G LTE service already has IPv6 in production - I was issued an IPv6 address without having to do anything in particular. I wouldn't be surprised if other ISPs followed suit by just flipping the switch to enable it for everyone.
- justincormack 15y ago
  Thats unusual. A real IP? What is it?
  - bdonlan 15y ago
    2600:100f:b002:96cf:54e1:a288:bb8:8424, currently. Incoming ICMP and SYN packets seem to be filtered, but that's reasonable for an ostensibly mobile service.
    - justincormack 15y ago
      Cool have been waiting for the promised ipv6 on mobile but never seen it actually shipping before. Do you get an ipv4 nat address too or not?
      - bdonlan 15y ago
        Yeah, I get NAT'd IPv4 as well.
obtu 15y ago
My ISP (Free) is participating, and the timeline went: opt-in IPv6 in 2007, IPv6-enabled Google in 2009, enabled by default for new subscribers in 2011. The 1% requirement is pretty weak, I'm more excited by the web companies flipping the switch.
danyork 15y ago
Yes, the WorldIPv6Day.org site is currently down but they're working on bringing it back up: https://twitter.com/#!/WorldIPv6Launch/status/159328457313107969 https://twitter.com/#!/WorldIPv6Launch/status/15932845731310...
- danyork 15y ago
  http://www.worldipv6launch.org/ http://www.worldipv6launch.org/ is now back up.
asdfaoeu 15y ago
Maybe they tried to enable AAAA lookups?

obtu 15y ago

Here is the press release: WASHINGTON & GENEVA, Jan 17, 2012 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Major Internet service providers (ISPs), home networking equipment manufacturers, and web companies around the world are coming together to permanently enable IPv6 for their products and services by 6 June 2012. Organized by the Internet Society, and building on the successful one-day World IPv6 Day event held on 8 June 2011, World IPv6 Launch represents a major milestone in the global deployment of IPv6. As the successor to the current Internet Protocol, IPv4, IPv6 is critical to the Internet's continued growth as a platform for innovation and economic development. "The fact that leading companies across several industries are making significant commitments to participate in World IPv6 Launch is yet another indication that IPv6 is no longer a lab experiment; it's here and is an important next step in the Internet's evolution," commented Leslie Daigle, the Internet Society's Chief Internet Technology Officer. "And, as there are more IPv6 services, it becomes increasingly important for companies to accelerate their own deployment plans." ISPs participating in World IPv6 Launch will enable IPv6 for enough users so that at least 1% of their wireline residential subscribers who visit participating websites will do so using IPv6 by 6 June 2012. These ISPs have committed that IPv6 will be available automatically as the normal course of business for a significant portion of their subscribers. Committed ISPs are: -- AT&T -- Comcast -- Free Telecom -- Internode -- KDDI -- Time Warner Cable -- XS4ALL Participating home networking equipment manufacturers will enable IPv6 by default through the range of their home router products by 6 June 2012. Committed equipment manufacturers are: -- Cisco -- D-Link Web companies participating in World IPv6 Launch will enable IPv6 on their main websites permanently beginning 6 June 2012. Inaugural participants are: -- Facebook ( www.facebook.com ) -- Google ( www.google.com ) -- Microsoft Bing ( www.bing.com ) -- Yahoo! ( www.yahoo.com ) Content delivery network providers Akamai and Limelight will be enabling their customers to join this list of participating websites by enabling IPv6 throughout their infrastructure. As IPv4 addresses become increasingly scarce, every segment of the industry must act quickly to accelerate full IPv6 adoption or risk increased costs and limited functionality online for Internet users everywhere. World IPv6 Launch participants are leading the way in this effort. For more information about World IPv6 Launch, products and services covered, as well as links to useful information for users and information about how other companies may participate, visit: http://www.worldipv6launch.org http://www.worldipv6launch.org About the need for IPv6 IPv4 has approximately four billion IP addresses (the sequence of numbers assigned to each Internet-connected device). The explosion in the number of people, devices, and web services on the Internet means that IPv4 is running out of space. IPv6, the next-generation Internet protocol which provides more than 340 trillion, trillion, trillion addresses, will connect the billions of people not connected today and will help ensure the Internet can continue its current growth rate indefinitely. About the Internet Society The Internet Society is the world's trusted independent source of leadership for Internet policy, technology standards and future development. Based on its principled vision and substantial technological foundation, the Internet Society works with its members and Chapters around the world to promote the continued evolution and growth of the open Internet through dialog among companies, governments, and other organizations around the world. For more information, see: www.internetsociety.org

mike-cardwell 15y ago

I wonder if they selected the 6th day of the 6th month for this because it's IPv6, or if it's just a coincidence.

pieter 15y ago
They probably chose the 6th because it's on a wednesday; they chose June 8th last year, which was also on a wednesday.
- ward 15y ago
  At the risk of sounding ignorant... what's special about Wednesdays?
  - jaylevitt 15y ago
    Wild guess: Two days of frantic last-minute preparation, one day of rollout, and two days of frantic hotfixes before most folks go home for the weekend.

Aloisius 15y ago

I hope it works. My experience with IPv6 has been hit or miss because my service provider, Cogent, doesn't peer with everyone. So while I can access Facebook's IPv6 address and every international IPv6 service I've tried, I can't access visit ipv6.google.com.

rwg 15y ago
Cogent de-peered Google about half a year ago: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/ipv6/29238 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/ipv6/29238 If you're single-homed to Cogent and want global IPv6 connectivity, you should look for another provider.
- justincormack 15y ago
  Surely they can't just not route to part of the internet?
  - jjv 15y ago
    They have done this in the past to many others; look up the Sprint - Cogent fight a few years ago. Cogent want peering (i.e. free traffic) with as many providers as possible, but it usually doesn't work out for their peering partners because Cogent's traffic is unbalanced (up / down aren't roughly the same). Usually when you don't have a direct peering arrangement, you route there through other providers, but Cogent specifically blackhole other networks to try and force them to peer.

webmonkeyuk 15y ago

It's a shame that http://www.worldipv6launch.org/ http://www.worldipv6launch.org/ appears to be broken. http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.worldipv6launch.org http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.worldipv6launch.o...

danyork 15y ago
yep, they're working on it: https://twitter.com/#!/WorldIPv6Launch/status/159328457313107969 https://twitter.com/#!/WorldIPv6Launch/status/15932845731310...

swalsh 15y ago

One might think of it as "D-Day"?

jl6 15y ago

Any hints from Amazon on whether they intend to provide Elastic IPv6 addresses?

dangrossman 15y ago
All Elastic Load Balancers in US-East and EU already have a publicly-routable IPv6 address
- adpowers 15y ago
  I'm running a bunch of t1.micros for different websites, now I have to pay twice as much to get an ELB for each to use v6? And I still can't SSH over v6. Amazon needs to stop pretending that ELB is the final solution for v6 and give each instance their own v6 address.
  - dangrossman 15y ago
    It's disingenuous to believe Amazon is pretending anything or won't eventually offer IPv6 IPs. They have a massive, global, proprietary internal routing infrastructure -- it takes time, resources and lots of testing before rolling out new services on that infrastructure.
    - wmf 15y ago
      The problem is having no roadmap. We know they're working to make AWS better... somehow. And you can't assume anything; there are EC2 feature requests that have been open for five years.
  - justincormack 15y ago
    S3 doesn't have ipv6 addresses yet, which should be the easiest thing.

va_coder 15y ago

If this catches on it'll have a big impact on web site analytics.

dangrossman 15y ago
How so?
- IgorPartola 15y ago
  One way would be that it would help identify individuals better since giant NATs will not be as popular. For example, I believe some IBM campuses are often all behind a single IP address.
  - dedward 15y ago
    as nat was only a method of dealing with lack of address space, and not a security measure, hopefully nat will become very rare...
  - dedward 15y ago
    as nat was only a method of dealing with lack of address space, and not a security measure, hopefully nat will become very rare...
  - pieter 15y ago
    Not really; most OSes now enable ipv6 privacy extensions by default, which means a client will connect with a different IP every hour or so.
- va_coder 15y ago
  At least some of the software designed to detect malicious behavior assumes the ip is in ipv4 format. Example: I'm pretty sure fail2ban doesn't support ipv6, yet.
justincormack 15y ago
Is there a geo ip database for ipv6? If people are using ipv6 these things will start to matter. Though maybe analytics will be the last to move.

riobard 15y ago

This is great news, but does anyone have any idea how to get IPv4-over-IPv6 tunnels to work? I'm in an all-IPv6 network, but unless all websites automatically work flawlessly after Jun 6, 2012, I still need to access IPv4 resources. I have an IPv4/IPv6 dual-stack server which I can access from home via IPv6. I want to setup an IPv4-over-IPv6 tunnel to connect to the server so that all devices in my home network can still operate in a private IPv4 network (for compatibility), and access to public IPv4 network is routed through the IPv4-over-IPv6 tunnel to the dual-stack server. The only solution that seems feasible right now is DS-Lite, but I couldn't find any helpful tutorial on how to setup it. Right now I use DNS64/NAT64 on another server to access IPv4-only resources, but this combination doesn't work all the time. For example, Dropbox client doesn't work because (I suspect) it hard-coded the IPv4 addresses of remote servers. DNS64 cannot intercept direct IPv4 addressing so there is no way to translate it into fake IPv6 addresses to be routable via NAT64. In addition, DNS64/NAT64 requires a full /64 subnet on the remote server, which might not always be possible. What is the general and practical strategy during the transition from IPv4 to IPv6? Edited: here is the relavent link on serverfault.com where I posted the original question http://serverfault.com/questions/326132/ipv6-only-client-to-ipv6-ipv4-dual-stack-server-tunnel http://serverfault.com/questions/326132/ipv6-only-client-to-...

wmf 15y ago
Your ISP should provide DS-Lite for you; I suspect that's why there aren't any tutorials.
- justincormack 15y ago
  Not sure where the OP is getting ipv6 from, but DS-lite is not actually common, because most ISPs are still providing ipv6 as an extra not exclusive, or people are using tunnel brokers. So most do not provide ipv6 only. However if you have a lot of ipv6 machines behind one ip provided and you want to know what to do the OP's question is sensible. The answer alas seems to be to just run your own NAT alongside ipv6. DS-lite is just getting someone else to do your NAT.
enterneo 15y ago