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I feel less charitable. In the last couple of decades, there has been meaningful change in people adhering to traditional gender roles. Especially in the last 1

I feel less charitable. In the last couple of decades, there has been meaningful change in people adhering to traditional gender roles. Especially in the last 10 years, I have seen a huge push to break the cultural acceptance of toxic masculinity. Pretending that men would be less familiar or feel it less intensely, in this day and age, is continuing the underlying themes of toxic masculinity. It's not just disheartening, it's disrespectful. I understand arguing that it affects women disproportionately, but I can't understand arguing that it won't affect men. Even if you are immersed in feminist literature, you have to be aware of the changing gender norms.

RajT88 4y ago
Indeed. I am no part of the LGBT+ community, but articles like this make me realize there are emotional elements of the female experience that resonate with me. Certainly imposter syndrome is something I have struggled with and continue to. I had an interaction just this week which brought it up. All that said, if some feminist idea wasn't intended for me, I am not going to sweat it. Feminism at its core is the idea that people are people regardless of gender and should be treated accordingly.
- knaik94 4y ago
  I was reading the original paper where the idea was first presented and came across a footnote that demonstrated to just how far we've come in the last 40 years. "The attribution research findings, summarized later, imply that the impostor phenomenon would be found less frequently in men than in women. We have noticed the phenomenon in men who appear to be more in touch with their “feminine” qualities. This clinical observation needs to be researched" The whole point of feminism is equality, it doesn't make sense to then restrict experiences to a specific gender. I think the idea that "some feminist idea wasn't intended for" you is the wrong takeaway here. These ideas and frameworks are meaningful when they can be applied to improve your life, the intended audience isn't important. Otherwise it feels like it'll induce imposter syndrome for the concept of having imposter syndrome. If you feel that this struggle applies to you, then the idea was intended for you. One of the definitions of toxic femininity is shaming men for not being "manly" enough and more generally policing femininity in others. That kind of othering is the reason why some people react so negatively to certain kinds of feminism, and it's why I don't call myself a feminist even if I work to promote feminist ideologies. Exclusionary feminism is not popular as a whole, but it is very vocal. I feel classifying resonating emotionally with the female experience as LGBT+ is continuing implicit toxic masculinity and femininity. Implicit bias surrounding these topics is completely dependent on the environment you were brought up in, and it's one of the hardest things to break when you are older. There absolutely is subjectivity in all of this, and there is value in classifying specific things as a feminine or masculine experience. But I dislike how strongly some people work to delineate the two. It feels wrong to intentionally create a minority out of people and behaviors that fit into both categories. https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/document?repid=rep1&type=pdf&doi=0a6565b3312797f938a269cc4763b45056d02279 https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/document?repid=rep1&type=pdf&d...

RajT88 4y ago

Indeed. I am no part of the LGBT+ community, but articles like this make me realize there are emotional elements of the female experience that resonate with me. Certainly imposter syndrome is something I have struggled with and continue to. I had an interaction just this week which brought it up. All that said, if some feminist idea wasn't intended for me, I am not going to sweat it. Feminism at its core is the idea that people are people regardless of gender and should be treated accordingly.

knaik94 4y ago
I was reading the original paper where the idea was first presented and came across a footnote that demonstrated to just how far we've come in the last 40 years. "The attribution research findings, summarized later, imply that the impostor phenomenon would be found less frequently in men than in women. We have noticed the phenomenon in men who appear to be more in touch with their “feminine” qualities. This clinical observation needs to be researched" The whole point of feminism is equality, it doesn't make sense to then restrict experiences to a specific gender. I think the idea that "some feminist idea wasn't intended for" you is the wrong takeaway here. These ideas and frameworks are meaningful when they can be applied to improve your life, the intended audience isn't important. Otherwise it feels like it'll induce imposter syndrome for the concept of having imposter syndrome. If you feel that this struggle applies to you, then the idea was intended for you. One of the definitions of toxic femininity is shaming men for not being "manly" enough and more generally policing femininity in others. That kind of othering is the reason why some people react so negatively to certain kinds of feminism, and it's why I don't call myself a feminist even if I work to promote feminist ideologies. Exclusionary feminism is not popular as a whole, but it is very vocal. I feel classifying resonating emotionally with the female experience as LGBT+ is continuing implicit toxic masculinity and femininity. Implicit bias surrounding these topics is completely dependent on the environment you were brought up in, and it's one of the hardest things to break when you are older. There absolutely is subjectivity in all of this, and there is value in classifying specific things as a feminine or masculine experience. But I dislike how strongly some people work to delineate the two. It feels wrong to intentionally create a minority out of people and behaviors that fit into both categories. https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/document?repid=rep1&type=pdf&doi=0a6565b3312797f938a269cc4763b45056d02279 https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/document?repid=rep1&type=pdf&d...