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I tried Mastodon for a little bit but quit because the community was too much like this. How's anyone supposed to take you seriously if you perceive an existen

by refuse 4y ago

I tried Mastodon for a little bit but quit because the community was too much like this. How's anyone supposed to take you seriously if you perceive an existential threat from a children's author expressing their opinion? One comment I saw claimed that she was literally killing them. I mean...

pixelat3d 4y ago
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- linuxftw 4y ago
  None of these problems seems real. It seems they're just fuel for the outrage mob. Who's ever heard of a 'shofar' horn? When people throw around scare terms like 'alt-right' it's very hard to take them serious.
- _a9 4y ago
  [Link 1] Article boiling down to JK having an opinion and 5000 buzzwords and off-topic filler (modern journalism) [Link 2] 1 Dev makes entire team antisemetic? A developer has different opinions than us, how dare he. The only reason WB did anything is because how dangerous the hate-mob can be with threats an PR. Good on WB for not caring about devs opinions when hiring and only how good they can code (AKA their jobs): > "I'm happy to say that, even though I disclosed my YouTube channel to WB Games, it didn't appear to be an issue for them. Not that they endorse anything that I've said, of course, but at least they seem more concerned with making good games than with pushing some kind of a social justice agenda, so there is hope." [Link 3] This is reaching so hard. Terminally online people trying to make up an insane meaning for a meaningless item in a video game.
- fleddr 4y ago
  I've yet to read a single real problem.
- pixelat3d 4y ago
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  - terfcomment 4y ago
    Oddly enough, most people aren't willing to believe piles of made up bullshit just so they can get angry at women standing up for their rights.
- refuse 4y ago
  I'm not seeing anything outrageous here except that people are so upset for somebody disagreeing with them.
- henrikschroder 4y ago
  > I suggest reading a little bit about the subject. Listen, our side has a gigantic blind-spot when it comes to political opinions. We're often college-educated, we hang around with similarly educated people, and we tend to be relatively successful in life, and attributing that to our smarts and education. So when it comes to politics, we're certain that our choices, our stances, are the smart ones, the educated opinion. And as soon as we encounter a person who doesn't share our opinion, we assume it's because they're not as smart, not as educated as us. They're simply ignorant of the facts around the issue, and if they just had all the facts, they would come around to our enlightened point of view as well. So, in our magnanimous benevolence, we offer to educate the other person. Here, read this article, check this link, watch this talk. Now, you see? Now you understand, right? That other people might come to different conclusions, because they have a different world-view, or principles, or because they don't share our vision, it's inconceivable to us. But we're the smart ones. We're the educated ones! If people don't agree, it simply means they're not educated enough, so we must educate them harder, or they're just un-educatable! They're bigots! Neanderthals! Cavemen! Yes, that is it. We're smart. They're ignorant. Aaahhh, all is right with the world again. Just take the L on this one. It's a good game. JKR's views on trans people are extremely mainstream. Go fight some actual transphobes instead of this lazy slacktivism, harassing streamers online or spoiling the game for other happy gamers.
pas 4y ago
There are many Mastodon servers and thus communities. exactly with twitter, reddit, etc. it's full of everything, pick what you like. (Reddit makes this easier, Twitter tries to push the most controversial shit in your eyes. On Mastodon instances you see the local stuff mostly.) https://infosec.exchange https://infosec.exchange has ~50K users, interesting threads (this one was on HN recently https://infosec.exchange/@SecurityWriter/109777576538835360 https://infosec.exchange/@SecurityWriter/109777576538835360 )
- Macha 4y ago
  The conflict really comes from the fact that mastodon is not pitched as a social equivalent of subreddits to people but as a twitter replacement. This means people expect to talk to everyone. But the preexisting fediverse culture is much more insular thanks to the transitive badness logic many servers operate on "your server let's its users talk to the bad people so we'll block your server and all its users". So servers get blocked if they let their users say positive things about cops, Rowling, investment, white people using the term thicc etc. This had already led to fediverse being really three universes, which I'll call Leftiverse, Japaniverse and Gabiverse. The majority joined the Leftiverse because they're less objectional than the Gab people but this has led to a culture war which I think is ultimately going to end up with the mainstream fediverse splitting into the original Leftiverse and a more mainstream Centriverse.

by refuse 4y ago

pixelat3d 4y ago

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linuxftw 4y ago
None of these problems seems real. It seems they're just fuel for the outrage mob. Who's ever heard of a 'shofar' horn? When people throw around scare terms like 'alt-right' it's very hard to take them serious.
_a9 4y ago
[Link 1] Article boiling down to JK having an opinion and 5000 buzzwords and off-topic filler (modern journalism) [Link 2] 1 Dev makes entire team antisemetic? A developer has different opinions than us, how dare he. The only reason WB did anything is because how dangerous the hate-mob can be with threats an PR. Good on WB for not caring about devs opinions when hiring and only how good they can code (AKA their jobs): > "I'm happy to say that, even though I disclosed my YouTube channel to WB Games, it didn't appear to be an issue for them. Not that they endorse anything that I've said, of course, but at least they seem more concerned with making good games than with pushing some kind of a social justice agenda, so there is hope." [Link 3] This is reaching so hard. Terminally online people trying to make up an insane meaning for a meaningless item in a video game.
fleddr 4y ago
I've yet to read a single real problem.
pixelat3d 4y ago
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- terfcomment 4y ago
  Oddly enough, most people aren't willing to believe piles of made up bullshit just so they can get angry at women standing up for their rights.
refuse 4y ago
I'm not seeing anything outrageous here except that people are so upset for somebody disagreeing with them.
henrikschroder 4y ago
> I suggest reading a little bit about the subject. Listen, our side has a gigantic blind-spot when it comes to political opinions. We're often college-educated, we hang around with similarly educated people, and we tend to be relatively successful in life, and attributing that to our smarts and education. So when it comes to politics, we're certain that our choices, our stances, are the smart ones, the educated opinion. And as soon as we encounter a person who doesn't share our opinion, we assume it's because they're not as smart, not as educated as us. They're simply ignorant of the facts around the issue, and if they just had all the facts, they would come around to our enlightened point of view as well. So, in our magnanimous benevolence, we offer to educate the other person. Here, read this article, check this link, watch this talk. Now, you see? Now you understand, right? That other people might come to different conclusions, because they have a different world-view, or principles, or because they don't share our vision, it's inconceivable to us. But we're the smart ones. We're the educated ones! If people don't agree, it simply means they're not educated enough, so we must educate them harder, or they're just un-educatable! They're bigots! Neanderthals! Cavemen! Yes, that is it. We're smart. They're ignorant. Aaahhh, all is right with the world again. Just take the L on this one. It's a good game. JKR's views on trans people are extremely mainstream. Go fight some actual transphobes instead of this lazy slacktivism, harassing streamers online or spoiling the game for other happy gamers.

pas 4y ago

There are many Mastodon servers and thus communities. exactly with twitter, reddit, etc. it's full of everything, pick what you like. (Reddit makes this easier, Twitter tries to push the most controversial shit in your eyes. On Mastodon instances you see the local stuff mostly.) https://infosec.exchange https://infosec.exchange has ~50K users, interesting threads (this one was on HN recently https://infosec.exchange/@SecurityWriter/109777576538835360 https://infosec.exchange/@SecurityWriter/109777576538835360 )

Macha 4y ago
The conflict really comes from the fact that mastodon is not pitched as a social equivalent of subreddits to people but as a twitter replacement. This means people expect to talk to everyone. But the preexisting fediverse culture is much more insular thanks to the transitive badness logic many servers operate on "your server let's its users talk to the bad people so we'll block your server and all its users". So servers get blocked if they let their users say positive things about cops, Rowling, investment, white people using the term thicc etc. This had already led to fediverse being really three universes, which I'll call Leftiverse, Japaniverse and Gabiverse. The majority joined the Leftiverse because they're less objectional than the Gab people but this has led to a culture war which I think is ultimately going to end up with the mainstream fediverse splitting into the original Leftiverse and a more mainstream Centriverse.