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I mean it seems like the "Mastodon protocol" could just specify that admins should have no expectation of privacy when they communicate in their official capaci

by polio 4y ago

I mean it seems like the "Mastodon protocol" could just specify that admins should have no expectation of privacy when they communicate in their official capacity. I'd expect the protocol to eventually support account migrations to allow for the best user experience, resilient to the caprices of power-tripping moderators or just badly run servers.

luckylion 4y ago
I don't know the system at all, but aren't the DMs between regular users (or at least also)? Like, you and me are on mastodon.example.org and I'm sending you a message. I can read it (in my sent messages), you can read it (in your inbox) and the admin of that server can read it. But we both agreed to that by signing up to that service. If I now move to mastodon.example.com and somehow migrate my messages, that server's admin would be able to read them, but you never consented to them having access to (part of) your private messages. It's similar to email, but we tend to put high requirements on running an email server (concerning data / privacy). I have no idea how that works out on Mastodon, whether it's closer to email or closer to Twitter DMs. E2E messages would probably be best, but then you make it harder for yourself to combat spam and harassment, I assume.
- lapcat 4y ago
  > But we both agreed to that by signing up to that service. > If I now move to mastodon.example.com and somehow migrate my messages, that server's admin would be able to read them, but you never consented to them having access to (part of) your private messages. Why do you think there's consent in the first case but not the second case? You voluntarily choose your new instance just as much as you did your old instance.
  - luckylion 4y ago
    > Why do you think there's consent in the first case but not the second case? You voluntarily choose your new instance just as much as you did your old instance. I choose it, but you didn't, and if I migrate private messages exchanged between us, that would affect your personal information. Just migrating my public posts will not be an issue. I don't know if private messages would be. §20 states in 4 "The right referred to in paragraph 1 shall not adversely affect the rights and freedoms of others."
    - lapcat 4y ago
      Well, to be clear, whenever you send or receive a DM, the admins of both instances can read them. Do people who send DMs even pay attention to who is the admin of the receiver's instance? Probably not. Anyway, the ability to import public posts would be a big improvement.

by polio 4y ago

luckylion 4y ago

I don't know the system at all, but aren't the DMs between regular users (or at least also)? Like, you and me are on mastodon.example.org and I'm sending you a message. I can read it (in my sent messages), you can read it (in your inbox) and the admin of that server can read it. But we both agreed to that by signing up to that service. If I now move to mastodon.example.com and somehow migrate my messages, that server's admin would be able to read them, but you never consented to them having access to (part of) your private messages. It's similar to email, but we tend to put high requirements on running an email server (concerning data / privacy). I have no idea how that works out on Mastodon, whether it's closer to email or closer to Twitter DMs. E2E messages would probably be best, but then you make it harder for yourself to combat spam and harassment, I assume.

lapcat 4y ago
> But we both agreed to that by signing up to that service. > If I now move to mastodon.example.com and somehow migrate my messages, that server's admin would be able to read them, but you never consented to them having access to (part of) your private messages. Why do you think there's consent in the first case but not the second case? You voluntarily choose your new instance just as much as you did your old instance.
- luckylion 4y ago
  > Why do you think there's consent in the first case but not the second case? You voluntarily choose your new instance just as much as you did your old instance. I choose it, but you didn't, and if I migrate private messages exchanged between us, that would affect your personal information. Just migrating my public posts will not be an issue. I don't know if private messages would be. §20 states in 4 "The right referred to in paragraph 1 shall not adversely affect the rights and freedoms of others."
  - lapcat 4y ago
    Well, to be clear, whenever you send or receive a DM, the admins of both instances can read them. Do people who send DMs even pay attention to who is the admin of the receiver's instance? Probably not. Anyway, the ability to import public posts would be a big improvement.